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The Commons: Let us renew our commitment to democracy, at least in Egypt

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, January 31, 2011 5:45pm - 82 Comments

The Scene. So where were we?

Ah yes, in disagreement. On the left side of the House sat the opposition, themselves divided into three distinct parties. On the right side, save for a few New Democrats there at the far end and two independents in the back corner, sat the government. In general, perhaps even by definition, no one group agreed with much of anything that was said or done by any of the other groups. All were of general agreement that they wanted things to be somehow better, but all were generally inclined to believe that they, and only they, truly understood how to go about achieving that vague state of improvement.

It will no doubt surprise you little to learn that in the six weeks since all sides were last compelled to sit in reasonable proximity to each other, almost nothing—from their thoughts to their words to their general attitudes—has changed.

So let us turn instead, or at least at first, to the small matter of the democracy that may or may not be breaking out in Egypt.

On that point, Michael Ignatieff stood at approximately 2:15pm this afternoon to demand that the government declare as forcefully as possible—perhaps with fireworks or yelling, or with some kind of musical score from Andrew Lloyd Webber—its belief in the fundamentals of democratic governance. “Mr. Speaker, as events have unfolded in Egypt, Canadians want to be sure that their government is speaking up for democratic values, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech … and a clear path toward a democratic transition,” he ventured.

Narrowing his eyebrows, he attempted to pinpoint the question at hand. “What exactly has the government been saying to the authorities in Egypt?” he wondered aloud. “Are we or are we not standing up for democratic values?”

Here then came the Prime Minister with the requisite assurance. “Mr. Speaker, I said in North Africa last week that the fundamental basics of this government’s foreign policy is the encouragement of freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Those are the values that we express to all governments around the world,” he reported for the benefit of the House. “Obviously, important events are unfolding in Egypt. We want to see it transition toward the basic values of freedom, democracy, human rights and justice. Obviously, we want to make sure the transition does not tend toward violence, instability and extremism.”

Obviously, here the Conservatives leapt up to applaud Mr. Harper’s support for freedom.

Mr. Ignatieff moved on the difficulties some Canadian citizens are having in their attempts to flee Egypt. This, the Liberal leader ventured, had something to do with government cuts to the foreign service. Mr. Harper dismissed Mr. Ignatieff’s concerns and expounded on the effort now being made to evacuate those who desired it.

Here the opposition leader apparently found himself in need of a segue and, apparently feeling somewhat ambitious on this first day back, attempted a rhetorical leap of some daring. The Conservatives, he repeated, had cut irresponsibly from overseas offices. And, for that matter, there would be only more cuts to come—to health, education, diplomacy and aid for veterans—if the government went ahead with its plans to further reduce the corporate tax rate.

We were now either wildly off topic or decidedly back on topic. But perhaps the best way we can honour those crowds in Cairo is to practice our own democracy—however much we lament it, it is after all of the sort that they now crave.

After a perfunctory response from the Prime Minister, Mr. Ignatieff rose for a fourth consecutive time.

“Mr. Speaker, the government is raising taxes for small and medium-sized enterprises,” he declared, seemingly in reference to a rise in EI premiums.

“That’s a lie!” cried a Conservative, apparently quibbling with the Liberal leader’s interpretation.

“And giving tax giveaways to already profitable corporations at a time when Canadian families want to be able to put their kids through post-secondary education and look after their moms and dads in their homes,” Mr. Ignatieff continued. “They do not see their priorities reflected in the priorities of the government.”

He bunched up his fists and then stretched his arms wide to better illustrate himself as he went on. “When,” he begged, “will the government start listening to those families where the elastic is pulled tight and start doing something for them instead of corporations that do not need the help?”

The Liberals leapt up to salute their leader’s use of metaphor.

Over to Mr. Harper, well-prepared with a series of declarations and an impressive-sounding number. “Mr. Speaker, the government’s priority, as I said earlier, is the economy and in particular, economic growth and the creation of jobs. Obviously, we are not going to raise taxes on employers in the middle of a recovery,” the Prime Minister said.

“You are!” cried various Liberals.

“I met today with representatives of business, including the Canadian Federation of Independent Business,” Mr. Harper continued, “and it would point out that the proposal by the Leader of the Opposition would raise taxes on over 100,000 Canadian businesses, something this government has no intention of doing in this recession.”

Once more to Mr. Ignatieff. “Mr. Speaker, it is raising taxes on small and medium sized enterprises that create jobs in this country. It is giving a tax giveaway to large already profitable corporations,” he corrected.

“To create jobs, invest in healthcare and education. Give middle class families help and a break. That is what we are saying,” he continued, apparently worried that the gist of the Liberal message was being lost.

Finally then to Mr. Harper, to reassert his own interpretation and restate his impressive-sounding number. “This government,” he concluded, “will not do anything that will hurt the Canadian economy.” The Conservative side applauded this commitment to a minimum threshold of righteous intent.

Of course, it cannot be said that anyone here is operating an explicit policy of hurting the Canadian economy. Only that everyone is quite sure that everyone else is quite likely to do so. Thus does our democracy remain in perfect balance. Be it ours to cherish.

The Stats. The economy, six questions. Egypt, health care and crime, four questions each. Taxation, Quebec and immigration, three questions each. The military, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, the environment and sports, two questions each. The Quebec City arena, one question.

Stephen Harper, 10 answers. Lawrence Cannon and Vic Toews, five answers each. Ted Menzies, four answers. Peter MacKay, Jason Kenney, Diane Finely, Peter Kent and Gary Lunn, two answers each. Peter Van Loan, Denis Lebel, Josée Verner and Mike Lake, one answer each.

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  • madeyoulook

    Once more to Mr. Ignatieff. “Mr. Speaker, it is raising taxes on small and medium sized enterprises that create jobs in this country. It is giving a tax giveaway to large already profitable corporations,” he corrected.

    A little help here? How does a lower business tax rate not also help the smaller and medium businesses? What's he talking about?

    And if he is talking about employer EI premium increases (is that actually happening?), how does that not also ding the "large already profitable corporations" in Canada? And when did "already profitable" become so evil, anyway?

    OK, never mind that last rhetorical question. But can anyone help with the details in my other questions?

    • Crit_Reasoning

      Ignatieff's distinction between small, medium and large businesses is pure spin, with no basis in reality. Corporate tax cuts affect all businesses, regardless of size. EI premium increases affect all employees with insurable earnings, regardless of whether their employer is a big corporation or a small one.

      • David_M.

        Not always CR.
        I manage a small (medium) sized construction comany. Its labour heavy and high risk. A paper intensive corporation could easily outstrip our gross sales with half (or less) the employees we support.
        I'm not complaining, its the business we've chosen but an EI hike is more worrisome than another 1.5% income tax break.

        • Crit_Reasoning

          Good point, thanks. Employers contribute 1.4 times the employee’s premiums, so companies in labour-intensive industries with a higher number of employees relative to earnings are more sensitive to EI hikes.

          Also, I forgot that the federal small business tax rate is 11%, which applies the first $500,000 of income for Canadian-owned small businesses. Three years ago, the Conservatives reduced this rate from 13% to 11%, and they raised the small business limit from $400,000 to $500,000 in 2009.

    • Dave

      The corporate tax cut does not affect small businesses. There is a small business tax rate at 11%. If you're a small business under $500,000 profit that rate applies and isn't changing, ie. you won't benefit from the general corporate tax rate cut.

      EI premiums on the other hand are going up this year and this affects all business, big and small.

      • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

        But I suspect that the small business tax rate you mention is still lower than the corporate tax rate, right?

        • David_M.
          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            Yes, but that's still significantly lower than the corporate tax rate of 15%, which is what the Conservatives have lowered it to; with the help of the Liberals, of course. http://www.canadabusinesstax.com/corporate-income…

    • André

      If I'm following the argument correctly, it seems to me that Ignatieff mangled his syntax in that sentence. To rephrase it: "The government is raising taxes on small and medium enterprises. It is small and medium enterprises that creates job in this country." Then by extension we could assume he's also saying that raising taxes on small and medium enterprises reduce their capacity to create jobs and improve the economy.

      But then as Wherry and Harper are saying, it's not a tax hike, it's an E.I. hike. But then David M. confirms, even an E.I. hike threatens small and medium enterprises.

      As to why his Scholarlyship couldn`t just get to the point, that is an entirely different argument.

    • Thwim

      The "it" Ignatieff is referring to is the CPC government.

  • psiclone

    Canadians would prefer a Conservative minority in power over a coalition government if the Tories can’t win a majority in the next election, a new poll suggests. Fifty-five per cent of Canadians say they’d rather see a Conservative minority at the country’s helm while only 45 per cent said they would support a government run by Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff and NDP leader Jack Layton, findings from a new Ipsos Reid poll conducted exclusively for Postmedia News and Global News revealed Monday.

    • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

      It's an interesting poll question, but it doesn't seem as though they asked how a Harper majority fares in that equation. After all, it's the one sure-fire way of stopping a coalition, isn't it?

    • ZestyMordant

      Wait – a Conservative minority? Is that even possible? Stephen Harper certainly doesn't think so.

      • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

        That's a good question. Is a Conservative minority still possible?

        • ZestyMordant

          Probably not. I suspect my ballot in the next election will read:

          Conservative Majority
          Evil Pirate Coalition

  • Crit_Reasoning

    Mr. Ignatieff moved on the difficulties some Canadian citizens are having in their attempts to flee Egypt. This, the Liberal leader ventured, had something to do with government cuts to the foreign service

    Quite the stretch by Michael Ignatieff. Egypt is in a state of chaos, and I don't think anyone expected that flying Canadians out of the country would be a smooth and orderly affair.

    Other Western countries are experiencing the exact same difficulties evacuating their citizens, and it's spectacularly disingenuous for Ignatieff to claim that any problems are the result of "foreign service cuts".

    • David_M.

      Agreed.
      There are times when the opposition should just acknowledge that the government is doing what it can and support the effort. I think this is one of those times.
      Sometimes I think our MP's are just a waste of clothing.

    • André

      It`s also disingenuous to imply no other party leader would do the same in his position, so close to an election. So go easy on the feigned disdain.

      Better to call it for what it is; spin, very common practice in politics, even more so near election time.

      • Crit_Reasoning

        It's also disingenuous to imply no other party leader would do the same in his position, so close to an election.

        You're saying that by criticizing Ignatieff for being disingenuous, I'm somehow implying no other party leader would do the same in his position?

        First, I made no such implication.

        Second, you seem to be suggesting that it's disingenuous to point out Ignatieff's B.S. without also offering lame excuses (for example, your dubious assertion that any other leader would do the same thing in his shoes). Does this honestly make sense to you?

        So go easy on the feigned disdain.

        Believe me, my disdain isn't feigned.

        • Jan

          Consular service has hardly been a hallmark of this government, so I would hope the opposition keeps up the pressure.

          • Blue

            I disagree with you about consular service. Other then a few former Liberal appointees who have had premature retirements and have taken the opportunity to have a public fit, Canada`s reputation is excellent in the international community.

            The recent issues with the UAE has added to Canada`s global respect. We refused to allow another country to dictate to us how we operate our airports, even when they use retaliatory actions.

          • Thwim

            Got a citation for that?

        • André

          I can't find any article to confirm your dubious assertions that every country experiences the exact same amount of difficulty evacuating their residents. And it's not just difficulties they are experiencing, people have become unreachable and have disappeared altogether. So no, it's not a stretch assume that cuts to the foreign service impedes their ability to track Canadian citizens.

          To argue a moot point and to selectively pick Ignatieff's moot point is disingenuous, which by extension means something in that post is feigned.

    • SirJohn_Eh

      A bigger stretch than the pantomime Iggy got into for those families with the big elastics, but I feel for him because he just has to get his mug in the 6pm news with a clip that gets played – so does Layton, Duceppe in Que, and Harper during issues or >5 yrs ago. Unfortunately its a certain type of convincing outrage and scandal with occas. some humor in your tone that politicians have noticed may get shown, depending on the way the story angles for TV, and that will bring the most voters' attention. This time Iggy went for the reminder based outrage, he wanted to remind folks of the Harper who tosses away valuable services because of ideological differences or careless budget reconfiguring.

  • Crane

    What a lackluster QP.Iggy hardly raised a thing that was new, I think he had seen the polls.He is still not connecting with the people of Canada( sorry he isnt) and this question about Egypt? its all bluster

    • hollinm

      Ignatieff must be in a grand funk when he sees the results of leadership polling. If he has any sense it will give him pause in his chest thumping election talk. However, watching him and the Liberal party acting so arrogant and disingenuous they will continue heading toward the cliff and somebody is going to push them over the edge.

  • ZestyMordant

    Why just those three? A vote against the Conservative Majority is a vote for the Evil Pirate Coalition. Our little fantasy coalition includes all the Greens, Guergis, all independent candidates, the Marijuana party, the communists… anyone that Harper doesn't approve. There are pirates lurking around every corner!

    • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

      No, just the people actually involved in the last coalition will do, right? Libs-NDP-Bloc: a match made in pirate heaven! lol

      • ZestyMordant

        I don't get it. If I vote for the Green party, am I voting for the Evil Pirate Coalition or the Conservative Majority?

        • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

          I don't know. You tell me.

          • ZestyMordant

            I was hoping you could help explain this Conservative coalition fantasy world. I find it very confusing.

            Every time I've voted before, my ballot just lists the names of the candidates running in my riding. Mr. Harper has lead me to believe that there will be some kind of coalition on it this time. I just don't get it.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            You voted for one party last time, right? But that didn't stop the coalition from trying to take power, did it? Not quite sure what your problem is. Thought we were joking around at first.

          • ZestyMordant

            Nah, I'm just fooling with you Dennis. Of course we vote for one party and then that party tries it's best to implement the agenda on which it was elected. That's the theory, anyway.

            It would be ridiculous to assume that we are forced to choose between a Conservative majority and a coalition. You know, like Harper said.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            I guess we're back where we started from. How isn't that the choice we face? The only way we can avoid another coalition is through a Harper majority, isn't it?

            Always amuses me how this coalition issue befuddles its supporters. They love the idea, but have a heck of a time justifying it. Curious.

          • hollinm

            That's because they trying to twist themselves into pretzels in order to dismiss the idea of a coalition which most certainly would be attempted if the numbers are close. However, no matter what the opposition supporters say if the Libs did not win more seats than the Conservatives and the Conservatives were shut out of government there would be a mighty uproar in ROC. WE only have to see the impact of the 08 coalition of losers had on the ROC.

          • Thwim

            Or we could avoid it through a Conservative minority. Or a Liberal minority. Or even an NDP minority. There's all kinds of ways it can be avoided.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            Only under a Conservative majority is there no chance of a coalition, right? It's not a hard concept to understand, is it?

          • Thwim

            What about a Liberal majority? Or an NDP majority? Or a green majority?

            Basically, you're talking a tautology.
            Our system allows for a coalition to be a government unless there's a majority (in which case there could still be a coalition it just wouldn't make a lot of difference) so under ANY government other than a majority.. of any party.. there could be a coalition. Yes. Huzzah for you, you've now demonstrated a basic understanding of the system.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            Sure, if you think those things are a possibility. I mean, a Rhino party majority could stop a coalition, right?

          • ZestyMordant

            Can we be sure that a Liberal minority would avoid a coalition? History tells us no…

          • Holly Stick

            The poor man is terrified he will be booted out of Parliament by a coalition. It's the boogeyman under his bed. And all the brainless Harper yes-men just mindlessly believe the poor paranoid punk's raving and mindlessly repeat them.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            I guess I must have imagined the part where that's exactly what happened the last time we had an election. Silly me.

          • Holly Stick

            So, coalition governments can govern well. It's not like an illegal military coup or something.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            I think Canadians have a different view of just how "well" that monstrosity of a "coalition" could govern. It's not what they voted for. At least now they might have a choice.

          • Holly Stick

            Most of us did not vote for the monstrous Harper government either.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            The Harper Conservatives have gotten the most votes in two consecutive elections, and received the support of the majority of Parliamentarians for over five years now. It would appear that only a fringe minority like yourself consider such a period of stability as "monstrous". Congrats.

          • Thwim

            Yes, it is too bad Mr. Harper decided to prorogue rather than call an election to give Canadians the choice at the time.

            I don't claim to say I would have liked the results, but it would have been the more upstanding course to take.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            It's the coalition that didn't want another election, right? If they would have persisted, the GG would have either let them have power, or call another election. The latter would have almost certainly been Harper's choice. Prorogation only delayed the choices for everyone. The coalition still could have tried to grab for power. They finally decided to listen to the people, no?

          • Thwim

            It is? Odd, I didn't realize we were currently being governed by a coalition, and I try to keep up with these type of things.

          • http://secondthots.blogspot.com Dennis_F

            I'm sorry, it's what they TRIED to do last time, isn't it? Harper didn't imagine it, nor does anybody else have to, right?

  • Holly Stick

    US based companies in Canada pay taxres to Canada and to the US. If Canada lowers their corporate taxes, they have to pay proportionately higher taxes to the US. So the Conservatives want to take money from Canadians to give to Americans.
    http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2011/01/31/co…

    • chet

      Good point.

      We should follow that through and tax US based companies 100% eh?

      I'm sure they'd flock here one by one, bringing with them all those jobs. I mean, what company with the means to choose international locales in which to set up operations, wouldn't just love to be taxed to the hilt.

      Higher taxes. How "progressive".

      • Thwim

        Hey, I can play stupid black&white games to. We should follow your logic through and reduce taxes to 0%. That'd bring all the corporations here, because they love working in countries with no publically funded justice system or police.

        Or.. perhaps you can just stop being an idiot and realize there's a place between the extremes.

  • jonatwitan

    Agreed. When the Leader of the Opposition's first question after six weeks away basically boils down to, "Do you care about democracy or not?", it definitely makes me wonder whether he cares about reality or not.

    Also, while our politicians may not have changed, consider me hopeful that our favorite Commons blogger has. This was a fair summary of the exchange between the two party leaders, and it in even included a healthy dose of wisdom at the end that we would all do well to remember. I speak of Wherry's observation that no one in the two major parties (I was going to generalize to federal politics, but there is of course one glaring exception) is working with an explicit policy to hurt Canada's economy. I would take it a step further and say that neither of them, if given the chance, would destroy our economy either, but I know that some of us have rather strong feelings on this point.

    • SirJohn_Eh

      People shouldn't read Wherry's BTC because they want their mind made up on issues or if looking for a robotic non-partisan recounting, it should be read because it is sometimes very, very well written way to get political coverage as entertainment and with humor – like this one. Wherry can have his feelings on the issues clear if its good to read.

    • hollinm

      I agree and I actually went back up to the top to ensure it was Wherry's blog.

  • Holly Stick

    Corporate tax cuts will not help much – another reason why fact-hating Conservatives hate StatsCan:
    http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2011/01/31/st…

  • Holly Stick

    Another tax cut that did not create the jobs that cutting it was supposed to do:
    http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/01/31/BankJob/

    • Jan

      Ironically, Ms. Taylor went on to head Harper's economic advisory council. At least she got a job.

  • chet

    Once again,

    I encourage Iggy to move forth, boldly, with his declarations for higher taxes on companies who employ us, hold our pension and retirement equity, and who purchase supplies from other small, medium and large companies, who also employ us.

    No doubt the grand plan being to have us turn to the nanny state, once the tax burden has sufficiently hobbled the private sector.

    There's nothing "progressives" love more than bigger government funded by ever increasing taxes.

    • Richard_S_Argent

      C+

      You can do better chiff.

      • chet

        Based on my "progressive conversion table" that roughly translates into a solid B+ or modest A.

        When the "progressives" start giving me A's, then I'll be worried.

        • Richard_S_Argent

          I was being generous chiff. You really need to up your game…you've been mailing it in of late.

        • lenny

          That sounds about right.
          A progressive C+ translates into a conservative A much as a UofT C+ might be a Lakehead A.

          • chet

            It's good to see the big eastern city elitism on display so forthrightly, so many around here try to deny that which is obvious. Good for you.

            It brings a smile to my face confident that there's a bunch of Lakehead graduates with trades, that is, employees and successful small business owners going out in the world generating economic output, out of sheer will and an entrepenurial spirit,

            while a bunch of women's studies and history majors lounge around the arts lounge at U of T (after the 5th or 6th year of "finding oneself", exploring one's "inner woman" and…this one's good for the resume… learning about the evils of America), fully unemploye and living off the entrepeneurial spirit of their parents from a previous generation,

            while holding their noses in comtempt for the gainfully employed/business owners who graduated from Lakehead about the same time those in the Arts lounge switched "majors" for the second time.

            A big smile indeed.

          • Richard_S_Argent

            You are aware that Lakehead is a university and not a technical college right? 'Cause your post sure seems to indicate that you don't.

            *stereotype fail*

          • Richard_S_Argent

            Know what really should put a HUGE smile on your face? Lakehead University offers a BA in….wait for it….

            WOMEN'S STUDIES!!
            http://mycoursecalendar.lakeheadu.ca/pg583.html

            (google is your friend ;)

          • lenny

            Well, whatever. Only a member of the elite would know that Lakehead is a university.
            I'm looking forward to pondering my newly-discovered place amongst the country's elite while I sit in my outhouse tomorrow morning.

          • Richard_S_Argent

            with a latte in hand I presume?

  • chet

    I also encourage Iggy to continue with the political cheap shots.

    There's nothing Canadians love better than a know-it-all Ivy league academic who utilizes his vastly superior intellect (well.. superior to the average "non-progressive" anyways) to lob dishonest cheap shots from the political sidelines.

    You know that's just gotta connect with the Tim Horton's crowd.

  • Emily

    Canada likes 'democracy' only when and where it suits us….and contributes to our standard of living.

    Otherwise, meh. We are faithful vassals of the US.

    We have lots of noble high-flown phrases we use about 'democracy and freedom' in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and of course the evil Iran.

    But for Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc…not a peep.

    Little carbon-copy…that's us.
    http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u78/Engineer68…

  • Jeff

    Aaron, I'm glad to see someone pick up on Harper's overuse of the word "obviously". It has been bugging me for years. Why not keep a tally of how many time he uses the word in public per day?

    • TimesArrow

      Along with…look and frankly.

      It's usually a key indication he isn't being frank; it isn't at obvious at all, and there are alternative ways to seeing things as Harper does.

      • Crit_Reasoning

        Look, when prime ministers overuse certain words, people are obviously going to notice. Some people, to be frank about it, are going to be annoyed.

    • Richard Westgate

      I had a prof in university who had several pet phrases, and some of us kept score. As I recall he scored over 100 one time within a one hour lecture. Most hilariously when he was advising us on something we should do on a regular basis, he used his most notorious phrase which was, "In terms of," and he actually said, "I would suggest in terms of termly frequency." Harper is getting there, obviously. Or perhaps I mean, obviously obvious.

      • Holly Stick

        One discussion class I was in had a guy who would respond to everyone who spoke with "I hear you." He would then talk and talk himself, demonstrating that he had actually heard nothing.

        • kathryn

          I had a coworker who would inevitably use the phrase "long story short" as the prelude to a long story, not at all shortened.

  • kathryn

    You are simply annoying – grow up.

  • WestNewf

    If you don't like our democracy why not move to Egypt yourself Aaron. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

  • TimesArrow

    If you don't like Aaron's blog you could do the same damn thing, right?

  • Halo_Override

    Okay, c'mon. You've gotta be a false flag poster with weak efforts like that.

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