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The Commons: 'Where is the minister?'

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:51pm - 41 Comments

The Scene. The moment apparently called for an accusatorily extended index finger. But first, a flashback—subjective as it may be—for the sake of those just tuning in to this tale of Bev Oda’s woe.

“Mr. Speaker, yesterday in this House the Prime Minister basically said: ‘I don’t care whether my minister doctored documents. I don’t care whether she misled the House. I don’t care whether she told the truth. I just don’t care,’” Michael Ignatieff reviewed off the top.

“This kind of disrespect for democracy just has to stop,” he continued, now turning to today. “When will the Prime Minister start showing respect for this House, respect for the people who put us here and fire that minister?”

Here is where he wagged that finger, a dramatic gesture rarely employed by the Liberal leader. Alas, it would him get no further.

“Mr. Speaker, I do not accept the premise of that question,” the Prime Minister pleaded. “The minister took a decision. The minister made clear that the decision was contrary to recommendations which she received from unelected officials, but in a democracy it is the elected officials who make decisions on how to spend taxpayers’ money.”

Apparently here the Prime Minister meant to present us with a choice. We could have a democracy in which elected officials make decisions. Or we could have a democracy in which elected officials were expected to tell the truth and refrain from doctoring documents. But we could not have it both ways.

Mr. Ignatieff tried again, this time en français. Mr. Harper restated his thesis for the benefit of francophone observers. The Liberal leader was made all the more displeased. And in his displeasure he was moved to metaphor. ”Mr. Speaker, they say a fish rots from the head,” he ventured, “and the rot has stopped at the top.”

There were groans from the government side.

“We have a Prime Minister who lets a minister deceive the House of Commons, falsify a document, and instead of reprimanding or dismissing her, gets up in this House and actually applauds her,” Mr. Ignatieff continued. “This is bad for Canadian democracy. When will he stand up, take his responsibilities and fire that minister?”

Once again he wagged.

The Prime Minister—a man who over the last five years has strived endlessly to elevate the tone and tenor of public discourse—was quite distressed at this. “Mr. Speaker,” he sighed, “so much for raising the tone of debate around here.”

The Liberals pressed on with Denis Coderre pronouncing shame on the government side. Up came John Baird.

“The minister,” he said, “has been very clear that she alone had made the decision not to fund the grant to this organization.”

“No!” called the Liberal side, who would later take to crying “not” at such statements.

“The minister made a courageous decision,” Mr. Baird posited, casually showing no regard for the meaning of the adjective.

Then to Gilles Duceppe and then to Jack Layton. “Yesterday in the House the Prime Minister condoned forging documents and condoned misleading the House,” the latter testified. “How can Canadians trust a Prime Minister who would have such contempt for this place? He claims that the minister has the right to make decisions but there is no right to forge documents. There is no right to mislead the House. What kind of leadership is that?”

Here the Prime Minister, with some papers provided to him by Mr. Baird, stood and read aloud from Ms. Oda’s testimony to a parliamentary committee in December, minus of course the bit where the minister claimed no knowledge of the action she now claims to have directed.

Indeed, to the allegations of forgery and misleading the House, the government side would seem to have no response, no explanation, no defence. What they have, instead, are claims to authority and vague allusions.

“Mr. Speaker, what is wrong is when governments slavishly follow advice that results in taxpayer money used, not for the purpose it was supposed to be used for, which is to help the people in the developing world, help the poorest and the most vulnerable, but instead for other purposes,” Mr. Harper said to another of Mr. Layton’s questions. “The government has been very clear that it expects taxpayer money to be used not to reward Canadian organizations, but to promote the foreign policy and the humanitarian objectives of the government. That is exactly what the minister has done.”

How precisely this was applicable to the matter at hand, the Prime Minister was apparently not willing to say.

For all of this, Ms. Oda was decidedly present—right there over the Prime Miniser’s right shoulder. And eventually the opposition side was moved to wonder whether she might have something to say on her own behalf. “Why is the minister allowing herself to be manipulated by the Prime Minister?” begged Liberal Judy Foote. “Is it because he will not let her resign? Is that why she will not defend herself? Certainly she would prefer to defend her own integrity and answer for her own actions.”

Apparently she would not. Or could not. For here, again, came Mr. Baird.

“This is a minister who made a difficult and brave decision when it came to not awarding a grant in this regard,” he claimed.

“If she really believes Canadians, and her own constituents, think she is in the right, why can she not just say so?” Foote asked. “Where is the minister?”

Once more to Mr. Baird, this time to describe the minister’s public pronouncements as both “incredibly clear” and “very clear.”

But however clear, however brave, however courageous, however principled, Ms. Oda would not stand once this afternoon to explain herself.

John McKay asked for an explanation of government policy on foreign aid. Mr. Baird stood, Ms. Oda remained seated.

Bonnie Crombie wondered what other proposals might’ve been rejected by the minister. Mr. Baird stood, Ms. Oda remained seated.

Bob Rae turned to the comments of Immigration Minister Jason Kenney and asked what conversations Ms. Oda had had with him, the Minister of Foreign Affairs or the Prime Minister’s Office before rendering her decision. Mr. Baird stood, Ms. Oda remained seated. (Mr. Kenney waved his hand dismissively in Mr. Rae’s direction and then turned his attention to his Blackberry.)

Mr. Rae moved to Ms. Oda’s own remarks on that decision and asked her to explain an apparent discrepancy. Mr. Baird stood, Ms. Oda remained seated.

Fully 18 questions were asked today of this matter, a half dozen directed specifically at Ms. Oda. Thirteen questions were posed yesterday, four of those addressed directly to the Minister of International Cooperation. Not a one has received a response from her.

That a minister so apparently exemplary would not be allowed to speak for herself is at least passingly odd. Indeed, it is actually getting to be a bit glaring.

The Stats. KAIROS, 18 questions. The budget, four questions. The border, three questions. Tunisia, Internet usage, national security, shipbuilding and crime, two questions each. Prince William, the Bloc Quebecois and pensions, one question each.

John Baird, ten answers. Stephen Harper, nine answers. Vic Toews, five answers. Pierre Poilievre, three answers. Rob Nicholson, Stockwell Day, Mike Lake and Rona Ambrose, two answers each. Diane Finley, Jim Flaherty and Daniel Petit, one answer each.

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  • jonatwitan

    Ignatieff: "Ms. Oda, how are you *finger wag for effect* doing today?"

    Baird: "The minister is having an exemplary day!"

  • Halo_Override

    Accountability is for the weak.

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    Must see: Bev Oda's tableware.

  • http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/ Open_Democracy

    Should you happen to be a non-profit looking for federal government funding, don't mention "empowerment of women" anywhere in your mission statement. As shown here, MATCH learned the hard way and had their funding cut:

    http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2010/05/bev-…

    But, surely it can't be Mr. Harper's decision not to fund "feminist" organizations, can it? Let's lay the blame for this one on Ms. Oda as well.

  • LaxAtlDfwYow

    According to reports from the press gallery, Rona shifted visibly,. measurably and repeatedly in her seat to block the camera's view of Oda each time PMSH stood.

    Seriously, we have a PM and cabinet that spend their time and our money gaming out how a Minister is to shift in her seat. Fercrissakes, do Rona and the rest of them not have any self respect left?

    Makes one want to puke.

    • danby

      Self respect?
      That won't get you a Cabinet position with this government

      Just ask Peter MacKay

      • Matlock

        Or Tony Clement.

        • danby

          I honestly don't think Tony knows the difference.

  • danby

    “The minister,” he said, “has been very clear that she alone had made the decision not to fund the grant to this organization.”

    This has been repeated in the HOC over the last few days.

    The stage is being set to isolate the PMO from the KAIROS funding decision, and the resulting breach of ethics, if/when the good ship Oda runs aground.
    As for John Baird handling all Bev Oda's questions.
    She obviously cannot be relied upon to stick to the talking points; after all, her conscience might get in the way.
    Clearly, with someone so unsuited to merely speak for themselves, it begs the question: What then, qualifies her to be a front line Minister?

    This is a very weak bench

  • bettie

    I was appalled at the behaviour of the opposition in QP today, mostly the Liberals, I think. There was such loud shouting. And then, when the PM rose to make an annoucement about the royal couple coming, the noise increased. One could hear individual voices screaming insults. The Speaker called for order. What he should have done was say, “I request that the 'honourable' member from ____ be quiet.” He’s got to get a bit more specific on the rabble rousers… he knows who they are.

    I remember once when Tomas Mulcair got out of control (this was a while ago), the speaker named the member from Outremont. I think this would help the decorum. Now, it's just noise, but those of us watching QP don't know who it is, and we should be able to know.

    Who was that person shouting so loud when the PM was announcing the young royals visit, and what did he say? Do you know, Aaron?

    • http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/ Scott_Tribe

      I was more appalled that the Prime Minister is not only defending but apparently condoning a Minister that decided to lie to the H of C Committee and committed forgery.

      The question isn't whether it was Oda's right or not to cut off funds to Kairos, or whether she and the government were right to do so – that's a different matter entirely – the question is how Oda went about doing it and the fact she lied about it. It's not the crime – it's the coverup, as they say.. or in this case.. it's not the cutting, but the lying.

    • Observer

      bettie… Bev Oda lied and her government won't reprimand her. The Royal Couple visit 'schtick' was a way to change the subject and it did not work.
      The Cons have been caught in a lie and they don't know what to do about it to make it go away… I hope the opposition does not let up until Ms. Oda is fired or quits.

      • MostlyCivil

        See, now bettie put up a pretty decent attempt at channel changing. Chet, pay attention.

  • TJCook

    Today, my wife burst rudely into the bedroom, interrupting me and another woman. When she insisted on an explanation, I sighed and rolled my eyes and said "So much for raising the tone of the debate in this marriage."

    Then I explained to her, for the hundredth time, that I had made a tough and courageous decision in cutting funding to KAIROS and in a democracy it is the elected officials who make decisions on how to spend taxpayers’ money. I have been very clear that I expect taxpayer money to be used not to reward Canadian organizations, but to promote the foreign policy and the humanitarian objectives of the government. That is exactly what I have done.

    I have answered her question, I stand behind my decision and I consider the matter to be closed. I don't know why she keeps going on about it, I'm really disappointed in her.

    • Halo_Override

      Sounds to me like you were as clear as you could be.

      • Emily

        LOL I hope she hit you with a rolling pin!

    • Jan

      That must have you enjoying a cig outside your house…

  • WestNewf

    It is so obvious what is going on here. The Conservative numbers are up so the left media has to attack hard to get them back down. I hate the political left in this country. Big bunch of lowlifes!

    • Halo_Override

      Please don't. You lower the collective intelligence of the internet when you do that.

      If you have a real defense I'm sure everyone would love to hear it and have a conversation about it.

      "Winners" who only care about winning tend to meet with bad results in the long run. You may want to take a little time to think about that. Or a lot.

    • former_ADB

      No I don't think this is just the 'left media' trying to bring the Conservative polling numbers down. I think it's the media (which BTW includes the NOT left leaning National Post) getting very excited that they have a documented example of a government minister lying to parliament.
      Oh and there's the not very charming theater piece, where the cabinet pretends that everything is OK and that Bev Oda has been fulfilling her duties in exemplary fashion.
      I think such behavior should offend anyone who is concerned about the governance of this country, irrespective of whether they would describe themselves as liberal, or conservative or anything else.

    • brooster2

      "The Conservative numbers are up so the left media has to attack hard to get them back down."

      I'll bet you don't know what cognitive dissonance is, do you? Just wondering…

  • NorthernPoV

    Barely able to fog a mirror and completely unable to locate a moral compass, a brain-dead nation yawns and returns to the hockey game.

    Oh Canada!

    • brooster2

      As I said elsewhere, Canada is now Stevie's ant farm. Oda's just another soldier ant to be sacrificed in defense of the colony.

  • danby

    Just an afterthought.

    Does using John Baird to answer Bev Oda's "questions" not imply a very strong controlling streak in the PMO?

    Would a PMO so controlling not also be inclined to over ride Ministerial decisions, pointing to Ms Oda's breach of ethics?

    They can't have it both ways.

    • former_ADB

      A valid point, but you'd never be able to make it stick in a court of law.

      • Healthcare Insider

        This is true. It will never stick in a court of law because it is all conjecture. Ms. Oda made an error – obviously. She even panicked and lied about it. She was likely embarrased about her error. She should have initialled the 'not' on the document. She actually should have written rejected across the document. She has taken responsibility for rejecting the funding. She has said the 'not' was written at her direction. The opposition thinks they can bully her into resigning. John Baird who is big and loud is bullying back. The outraged opposition can always bring down the minority government if they feel Canadians will be outraged by Ms. Oda's behavior and vote their way in an election. The problem is that Ms. Oda did not benefit monetarily or any other way from her error. Will the ordinary Canadian be outraged? That is the gamble.

        • Blue

          Your analysis is correct. There is no story here.
          A left-wing group did not get their annual entitlements.
          The members in that group and the die-hard Libs and NDP like Wherry and his followers on this site will not be voting for Harper in the next election.
          The rest of Canadians who have more important things on their mind then the games these people play about their entitlements, will look at their options and most will decide the Conservative Party is the only capable governing Party.

          • danby

            If the Opposition can present the Conservative promise of governmental accountability being but a patronizing lie used to deceive a public unaware of the ever deepening secrecy and ethical compromises/breeches that erode our parliamentary democracy – it becomes an issue. There is plenty of ammunition here.

            A skilled campaign along these lines could turn heads, guaranteed – it's Stephen Harper's Achilles heel.

            It would require money, timing and very strong leadership. Do the Liberals have that? Good question

    • leroy

      Good point

      In yesterday's HillTimes, Tim Naumetz wrote …

      "The government’s decision to have Mr. Harper and Mr. Baird respond to the controversy contravenes sections of Mr. Harper’s 2008 Accountable Government Guide for Ministers and Ministers of State, which requires daily Question Period attendance with PMO clearance required for any absence and says “ministers are required to answer Parliamentary questions within their areas of authority as clearly and fully as possible.” "

      So obviously the "NOT" falls within the authority of Harper and Baird.

      • McC_

        Don't worry, as Leader of the Government in the House, John Baird's area of authority is everything that goes on in the House, so he's good answering all of the questions. "okay," tou might say, " but how come he answered all of the questions when he Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities too?" well you see, infrastructure is the foundation on which all else is built, so having authority over infrastructure put Baird in a position to answer Parliamentary questions within any area of authority as clearly and fully as possible.

        —->* THE MORE YOU KNOW!

  • canon70

    I think the "NOT" was ordered by the PMO and Ms. Oda is taking the hit for it. They'll keep her in hiding hoping the whole thing will blow over while the House isn't sitting. If necessary, she'll resign to protect the Prime Minister.

    • bettie

      Well, that's two of you that know that the 'NOT' was ordered by the PMO… you and Ignatieff.

      • canon70

        Perhaps Ms. Oda does also.

  • MBToday

    If she made the courageous decision, despite the advice of the senior staff, then she made a decision. end of sentence. But no she (or the directive from the PMO) also decided to hide behind senior staff so the decision to hide the decision is cowardly. Ministers are their to approve policy as well as manage the the departments their entrusted with. They are accountable for their decisions whether the decision is right, wrong, popular or not. If she made the decision then she should have the intellectual bravery to defend the decision and promote the reasons for the decision. She has not done that instead she (the whole Harper government) hide behind an untruth! A coward's refuge.

  • chet

    Misleading the public by suggesting that writing on a document (when it's apparant its writing) is "doctoring" it, as if someone cut and spliced some wording and passed it off as the original,

    publicly mocking an older woman's appearance suggesting she looks like a man (hehe she looks like Roy Orbison)

    name calling

    My goodness, this is the desperate left's finest hour.

    How can you tell Harper is in full command and leading in double digits in most polls now?

    This is how.

    Welcome to today's "tolerant progressive left".

    • gottabesaid

      Actually, chet, you're in a very good position to lecture us leftists about tolerance. I mean, it has to take a real tolerance level to be able to turn a blind eye to what's been happening in the upper echelons of your party and your government over the past week.

      Please, lecture us further on the subject of tolerance.

    • Matthew

      writing the Not in itself is not doctoring a document. Writing it after it has already been signed and suggesting it has the support of those who have signed it is doctoring a document.

      I find it appalling that any person can really be so shallow minded and politically motivated as to shrug this off and not see how wrong this is. The Prime Minister and Bev Oda need to answer for this, if there isnt this essentially sets a precedence for further blatant lies in the HOC

  • chet

    Once more, they will hear the sounds resonate in leftist echo chambers such as these,

    egging each other on,

    telling each other that average Canadians who have not partisan hatred of everything conservative,

    will truly appreciate the inspiration of publicly mocking an older woman's appearance.

    Yes of course. If it's sweet music to the far leftists at sites like these, it just must be good for the liberals. I say: keep at er!

    • MostlyCivil

      I hear the sound of a remote control button, as a man tries to change a channel.

  • Philanthropist

    Liberals should make this the centrepiece of their next election campaign! They should protest like Egyptians! Go full ridiculous!

    This is the Very Most Important Issue EVAR! To the Bastille! Canadians are right behind you! LOL!

  • DuffConacher

    The scandal involving Conservative Cabinet minister Bev Oda is yet another example showing the clear need for an honesty-in-federal-politics law that applies to everyone and allows for complaints by anyone to an independent, non-partisan watchdog agency such as the federal Ethics Commissioner.

    If the Conservatives had a majority of seats in the House of Commons, they would have stopped the current parliamentary process aimed at penalizing Minister Oda for her misleading statements. And the process is tainted by partisanship because a Liberal Speaker of the House will decide if Oda is guilty, and opposition MPs will decide whether she will be penalized.

    If Minister Oda made her false statements outside of Parliament, for example during an election campaign and including some false election promises, the current process would also not be happening because MPs can only penalize misleading statements made before committees or in the House.

    In fact, many ministers and MPs from all political parties, as well as their staff and government officials and lobbyists, have in the past escaped being penalized for false statements because of majority governments, or because of where they made their statements.

    Given that dishonesty in politics is the main thing turning off voters, and a main reason for the drop in voter turnout, we clearly
    need a strong, comprehensive, independently enforced honesty law so that people involved in federal politics will no longer get away with misleading Canadians.

    Sincerely,
    Duff Conacher, Coordinator of Democracy Watch http://www.goodgovernment.ca http://www.CoffeeParty.ca

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