Gary Doer in conversation

Canada’s ambassador to the U.S. on border security, the oil sands, and what Barack Obama really thinks of Stephen Harper

by Luiza Ch. Savage on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:34am - 20 Comments

Q: You said at a Maclean’s/CPAC forum in Washington that sometimes you have to educate Canadians about how they don’t have a “human right” to enter the U.S. What else do you want to educate Canadians about?

A: Sometimes you get questions about flying over the U.S., and [American] requests for certain things, and you have to point out it’s their sovereign airspace to manage. It’s not Canadian airspace. It’s also my job to point out the major trade issue that the U.S. has with Canada—it’s intellectual property. It’s my job, when asked these questions, to point out what the priorities are in the U.S. But if it’s not in the cards and not reasonable, you make that point as well. [U.S.] Ambassador [to Canada] David Jacobson and I have a good working relationship. Part of it is to work with all the issues in a way that is a two-way communication system. And to the Americans, I have to point out the obvious at every speaking engagement. We are your best customer. It’s us, not Saudi Arabia, that is your biggest and most reliable supplier of energy. And you get more visitors from Canada than any other country.

Q: What is it like to be the Canadian ambassador in Washington in 2011? We have this image fixed from the Allan and Sondra Gotlieb days that everything happens at Georgetown dinner parties. Do you go to dinner parties, or hockey games, or attend rallies like the Jon Stewart rally or the Tea Party rallies?

A: I haven’t. I was tied up with work on those occasions. I just attended a Martin Luther King event recently. So I attend some of these events that unite Canadians and Americans in terms of human rights. What goes on in Washington is similar to what goes on in Ottawa. People who are elected will go home on Thursday or Friday night to their districts. They are very involved and engaged not in Georgetown but in Peoria. I think that’s similar to what’s going on in Ottawa. People go back to their constituencies because that is who they report to. There are three or four events a year I go to—such as the Alfalfa Club dinner—where lawmakers and lobbyists and cabinet secretaries go. Yes, I go to hockey games and I enjoy attending events that are part of American culture. One major difference is that in Canada you’ve got to know your hockey teams and hockey players. In the U.S., you’ve also got to know the football teams, and in March, the basketball teams.

Q: You are a former NDP premier. What is like representing a Conservative government?

A: When I was a premier, I travelled to the U.S. with Bernard Lord, Dalton McGuinty and Jean Charest, and most recently with Ed Stelmach and Brad Wall, and I’ve always felt that I was part of the Canadian team. This is no different.

Q: What has struck you as interesting or surprising since you’ve been in Washington?

A: One thing that is surprising is when a bill is being discussed in Congress you can’t get a bar stool in Washington because there are 35,000 lawyers and lobbyists in town wining and dining—not that I was looking for a bar stool.
The think tanks in Washington are also interesting. In the U.S., they exchange prisoners after every election with all the [changeover] in staffing that goes on. In Canada, we have more of a permanent public service, but they do have public-service-in-waiting in the think tanks. It’s my advice to Canadian decision makers—whether in business or NGOs, or elected representatives or consumer groups—to take advantage of the think tanks. The people there are very bright, and tomorrow they might be an undersecretary. They are very important. Today they are giving you advice, tomorrow they may be making decisions. It’s very useful to soak up their knowledge and ideas and give them your own views of what Canada has to offer and what our priorities are on an ongoing basis.

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  • Verna

    Good article and without any of the personality bashing that is usually printed.

  • psiclone

    I really enjoyed this article and even found the questions and answers enlightening and without the .. more often than not … hyper partisan agenda. I found the response about what Obama thinks about Harper very enlighetning .. hard to believe that Stevie boy is turning into senior man at table – then again Obama probably wants to learn how to deal power from a minority position and must appreciate a fellow leader that knows how to play whackamole with oppostion leaders as well as Harper does especially one who doesn't suck up for votes and knows how to keep his eyes on where the puck is most likely to be.

    • filturk

      "Harper doesn't suck up for votes" ?… good one psiclone, that's the funniest I've heard all day. Haven't you heard, Porkie Steve and his pork cronies are currently on a pork barrel nation wide blitz.

      • psiclone

        ordinarily I do not respond to ignorant posts nor do I enjoy the cut and thrust of engaging wit with the defenseless and under no circumstance would I deliberately enter into the arena of verbal combat with someone so obviously unarmed in the art.

    • filturk

      And I do not reply to garrulous, pompous fools…

    • filturk

      hmmm, I guess I spoke too soon, as I did in fact reply to a garrulous, pompous individual by the name of psiclone

  • Claudia Lemire

    Gary Doer is such a good man, he is one of my favourite politicians, an excellent choice for the post in the US.

    • Dave-O

      Based on what, what makes him a good man in your books.

      • Claudia Lemire

        Based on respect, willingness to listen to his opponents with their ideas and opinions, show them respect as individuals. I do like that very much about him, he gets a lot of respect from his peers, they genuinely like him and that's not always the case.

        And I liked his simplicity and moderation of his governing style

        • sourstud

          I won't disagree that he's a nice enough guy, but during his time as Premier of Manitoba, he was a reckless hyper partisan leader who put his parties fortunes before the provinces time and time again. Not to mention he promoted a multi-million dollar ponzi scheme to Manitoban workers.

        • Jan

          His job is to lobby for Canada. I'm not seeing any positive effects. Especially around the border problems.

  • bettie

    I enjoyed reading this as well. For a while, we lived in MB when Gary Doer was in the legislature. I remember when he was chosen leader of the NDP, and was leader of the opposition for a time when Gary Fillman was premier. When Gary Fillman retired, Mr. Doer became premier.

    It is interesting to hear how highly our Prime Minister is regarded in the American administration. I think as Canadians we don't realize how good he is… perhaps something like 'a prophet is not without honour, save in his own country…'!

  • jmw

    Too bad the CBC doesn't let us know about this, so thanks MacLean's!

  • Joe

    Where is my bar stool?

  • Rick

    [youtube oHg5SJYRHA0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 youtube]

  • sourstud

    Gary Doer is much more playing diplomat than any kind of leader. I'm glad he's finally found his calling.

  • Jan

    Doer is obviously not following what is going on in Lieberman's committee.

  • Jim

    I never voted for Doer or his party when I had the chance, but everytime I ever met the man, he was very charming.

    He was a great choice for this position.

    Another really good story from Luiza.

    • bettie

      This is an example of the good people Mr. Harper has been able to attract for various positions. He picks quality over partisanship, as he should of course.

  • wilson

    Macleans can't crack 20 comments unless the post is Harper bashing.
    Sad eh.

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