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The Commons: 'A five-year-old accounting dispute'

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, February 28, 2011 6:04pm - 141 Comments

The Scene. Imagine, if you will, that it was 2003 and several Liberal party officials, two of them sitting senators, were accused of violating the election laws of this country. Imagine that a department of government created by the prime minister had decided to pursue charges in this regard. And imagine that, in responses to questions about this matter in the House of Commons, the prime minister sent up his parliamentary secretary with something like the following.

“Mr. Speaker, this is, of course, a five-year-old accounting dispute.”

Imagine how incensed Stephen Harper, seated across the way in the opposition leader’s chair, would have been to hear such a response, how angrily he would have condemned this as galling and outrageous and unacceptable. Indeed, imagine how he might have waxed philosophic about democracy and the moral authority to govern.

Good thing then that Mr. Harper was absent this day, away from the House of Commons as his parliamentary secretary, Pierre Poilievre, stood to say this much on the Conservative party’s behalf.

On Mr. Harper’s behalf, Michael Ignatieff stood to heap scorn.

“Mr. Speaker, the government is playing fast and loose with the facts. This is not a debate. The party opposite is facing criminal charges and jail time if it is convicted,” he declared.

“No!” protested various Conservatives. And indeed, on this last bit about criminality, Mr. Ignatieff would seem to be mistaken.

“It forms part of a pattern,” he continued, undaunted. “When the government faces tough questions, it shuts Parliament down. When a minister misleads the House, the Prime Minister actually gets up and applauds her. When Conservative Party operatives are faced with serious criminal charges, it turns it into an argument with Elections Canada.”

He was quite indignant now, shaking his left fist at the government side. “It is not an argument,” he ventured. “This is an accusation of fraud. Why does the government not understand that this is undermining Canadian democracy?”

Mr. Poilievre was unpersuaded. “Mr. Speaker, allow me to correct my honourable friend,” he offered. “In fact this is an administrative dispute that dates back five years.” Indeed, in successive answers, whispering as he strained to seem as non-threatening as possible, Mr. Poilievre would deem this an “administrative matter” and an “administrative issue.”

To the linguists who script this stuff each day, this no doubt seems a masterstroke. Use the word “administrative” and suddenly the accusations that you cheated during a federal election seem so dreadfully boring. As if the Conservative party merely neglected to fill out the proper form in triplicate and now some pencil pusher in HR is nagging them to do it over again. Just some silly paperwork that needs to be attended to. Nothing to worry yourself about. Just relax and listen to the cool sounds these airplanes make.

As for Bev Oda, the aforementioned minister involved in the aforementioned allegation of misleading Parliament, what is actually a matter of paperwork (or at least how one accounts for that paperwork) is conversely treated with the sort of reverence and exaltation reserved for hockey players who’ve managed to play despite a torn ligament or bruised organ.

“She made a difficult decision,” proclaimed John Baird this day when the Liberals got round to dealing with this matter directly. “It was the right decision. She has made a great contribution to international development right around the world and she has a record all Canadians can be proud of.”

As he did last week, Mr. Baird would later upgrade this decision to “courageous.”

But however courageous and right and pure Ms. Oda’s decision-making, she remains unable, unwilling or simply unallowed to stand and explain herself.

“Mr. Speaker, around the world people are craving democracy, they are craving transparency, they are craving accountability. Canadians are no different. They have the same expectations and demands of their government,” Bob Rae posited. “I would like to ask the minister if she will simply answer a simple question. What happened in that two-month period between the decision by the two officials at CIDA to make the decision and her decision to put the ‘not’ in? What happened in that two-month period?”

Mr. Rae looked directly at Ms. Oda. Ms. Oda, seated in her assigned spot along the second row of the government side, looked directly back at Mr. Rae. And yet, when Mr. Rae finished, it was Mr. Baird who stood, again, to respond.

“Let her speak!” barked Ralph Goodale from the Liberal side.

Mr. Rae tried again. Once more, Mr. Baird stood to answer.

“Let her speak!” came a voice from the Liberal side. “Let her speak!”

The Bloc’s Johanne Deschamps stood next with two direct questions for Ms. Oda, each time it was Mr. Baird who stood to respond.

One wonders what Mr. Harper—or at least that Mr. Harper who once sat here as leader of the opposition—would have said had he been here to see this.

The Stats. In and out, 12 questions. KAIROS, six questions. The budget, four questions. Tunisia, Libya, ethics, gas prices, the G20, Open Government and crime, two questions each. The economy, innovation, fisheries and the Quebec City arena, one question each.

Pierre Poilievre, 11 answers. John Baird, seven answers. Stockwell Day, six answers. Tony Clement and Ted Menzies, three answers each. Christian Paradis, Peter MacKay and Dave MacKenzie, two answers each. Randy Kamp, Rona Ambrose, Daniel Petit and Josee Verner, one answer each.

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    Pierre Poilievre, 11 answers. John Baird, seven answers. Stockwell Day, six answers. Tony Clement and Ted Menzies, three answers each. Christian Paradis, Peter MacKay and Dave MacKenzie, two answers each. Randy Kamp, Rona Ambrose, Daniel Petit and Josee Verner, one answer each.

  • JamesHalifax

    A previous poster asked:
    “What other party has been credibly accused of doing the same thing?
    Please provide specifics. Dates, circumstances, names, sources. ”

    To which I reply:
    The BLOC are the creators of the “in-and-out” transactions, and all of the other parties’ have used it. It was not illegal at the time, just sneaky.

    As for specifics, dates, circumstances, names and sources……it’s hard to find them as Elections Canada will not allow any witnesses in court, and the opposition parties on the parliamentary committee’s wouldn’t allow for the witnesses the Conservatives wanted to call.

    • NoNameCS

      I knew all along that Elections Canada was shilling for them separatists !!!

    • Halo_Override

      tl;dr version: you have no evidence, but you'll keep saying it anyway?

  • JamesHalifax

    The conservative witnesses were former and current memebers of the NDP/bloc, and Liberal Parties who were involved in the EXACT SAME THING. Of course, the opposition parties make up the majority in the committee….and they decide who will provide evidence. Hopefully, in a real court, these witnesses will be forced to testify that their parties' were involved in the exact same thing.

    • Halo_Override

      The EXACT SAME THING, of which you just admitting having no evidence, correct?

      • Thwim

        Not only having no evidence, but also admitting that it wasn't illegal when they were doing it. It was a hole in the law that was closed up, but the CPC decided that the law didn't apply to them.

  • JamesHalifax

    Elections Canada has a HUGE bone to pick with Harper, as he took them to court when he was president of the NCC…and the Liberals picked to run Elections canada remember it.

    Why else do you think they waited until now, with the Conservatives riding high in the polls, with a potential election in the air to make public these charges.

    • NoNameCS

      Elections Canada is headed by a Harper appointee. The Director of Public Prosecutions was appointed by the Harper Government.

      Are you saying that Harper appoints incompetents who are easily manipulated by partisan staff ?

      • Halo_Override

        It's all part of the cover-up, man! Contrails!

  • JamesHalifax

    The same thing happend in 2008 when the RCMP went to Conservative Party headquarters to confiscate documents. Someone at Elections Canada told the press and the Liberal Party….and made sure it was all caught on tape.

    If anyone thinks Elections Canada is impartial…….then you probably think Muamar Quadaffi is correct when he states his people love him.

    • NoNameCS

      "If anyone thinks Elections Canada is impartial…….then you probably think Muamar Quadaffi is correct when he states his people love him."

      Wow, HamesHalifax. That is a full-blown stinker of a line. Go back to the lab, my demagogic friend, and change the formula for your magic mushrooms.

      • whitey228

        I would think that it is fair to say that Elections Canada as a body has the purpose of fulfilling its mandate to ensure that elections in Canada are fair and that rules are followed. I would also think that like every organization that is run by people, there are a few strongly opinionated individuals who will use insider information to gain an advantage for personal gain of their self interests. That being said, do you ever wonder how all of the "sources" of the government give the media a heads up when breaking news is about to break? Same self serving type of individual.

  • JamesHalifax

    Lastly…remember this. Elections Canada changed the rules AFTER the Conservatives used this method to transfer funds (raised by Conservative members by the way….not stolen from taxpayers, as is the Liberal way)
    If the rules were as clear cut as Elections Canada and the Liberals would have you believe…..then why the necessity to change the rules in the first place? Think about it.

    Oi vey!!!

    • Halo_Override

      If they got tax rebates for it, it was stolen from me. I'm an angry taxpayer and I demand to have everything my way!

  • Mr. Middle

    Look, Vic Toews is an admitted elections fraudster. Of course he would attempt the same tactics at the federal level. There is no issue here. Mr. Toews cheated in a provincial election, lied for years about it and then finally admitted to it after winning a federal seat.

    He, of course is also an admitted adulterer. And remember, he is a senior member of Harper’s cabinet, so…

    What is sad is that 35% of Canadians, who pretended that law and morality matter during the Adscam affair, actually like and support this brand of overspending, lying, cheaters.

  • TimesArrow

    Wow! It's a full court press of conbots! Must be happy hour at macleans.

  • whitey228

    I find it intolerable that the politics of Ottawa by all parties always find it manageable to make the day to day business of the Canadian government just not work. Sadly it is magnified by the supporters of their parties who allow this to continue. Bev Oda lied to parliament, move on , but fire her. Election fraud happened, move on and charge those responsible. To those in this forum and the public who say that this is ok because they are Conservative supporters shame. If the shoe was on the other foot these same Conservative supporters would be crying foul. I find it more difficult to vote with every election because it would seem that the parties are their to govern and serve themselves and not the whole of Canada. In any other circumstance in Canada, Bev Oda would have been fired for lying, and those who committed fraud would have been charged. Sadly to most Canadians, if these issues had happened in a large corporation in the public eye, there would no doubt be a call for appropriate action. The privilege to government is given by a vote by the people for the people. Politicians from all parties need to stop acting like the kids in high school in a popularity contest and they need to start doing the duties that have been granted to them.

    • Thwim

      Keep voting.
      Stop voting for a party.
      Vote for the best candidate in your riding.

      Do a bit of homework, talk to each of your candidates. Let them know that you're vote is fluid based on what *they* do, not on what the party says.

      Then follow through.

      • whitey228

        funny thing is i did that last time and my mp votes the party way. find me a conservative in the harper government who dare do otherwise.

        • Thwim

          Well. Now you know not to vote for that candidate. Vote for one of the other ones next time. Remember, we don't vote to pick the winner, we vote so that everybody can agree on the losers.

  • gar

    This will go no place.The average Canadian is so disconnected from political shenanigans after years of Liberal power that they consider this just Liberal propaganda.We all know elections canada made of of Liberal sycophants have been chafing at the bit to push this forward and with an election in the offing thought it would help their Liberal friends.elections canada is so biased it lets loans by Liberals that are supposed to be paid in a certain time go time after time without question,Dion,Kennedy how may more?The polls will continue to improve for the Tories as we all see through the elitist Liberals and their buddies in the civil service

  • Ethan

    If the Conservative Party of Canada is so incensed at having to abide by Elections Canada rules and regulations, they should put their money where their mouth is and boycott the next Elections Canada-run election and do the country a massive benefit.

  • NorthernPoV

    @chet
    so I am a "known liberal supporter", eh…. you make it sound a little exotic or forbidden!
    way to channel McCarthyism! ;-)
    "far left leaning" ? not from my perspective.
    In fact, while lately I've been thinking less in terms of right-wing/left-wing, I still love a well argued civil debate – and occasionally find one here among the clutter.
    Like the other replies you got, I am just sick of the infantile posts that your ilk seems to have so much time to make under so many tawdry aliases.
    A "sort by thumbs" feature simply leverages the sanity of the collective to sort the clutter to the bottom of the pile.
    You can still post all the drivel you like…..

  • BC Blue

    Iggy: “These are serious charges and they carry with them jail time”.

    Funny how Iggy isn't as concerned about the criminal charges against Pablo Rodriguez.

  • OriginalEmily1

    "The office of the federal Director of Public Prosecutions has another phrase: "illegal activity.""
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingn…

  • gar

    I wonder how many see this as Elections Canada an arm of the Federal Liberals trying to stir the pot on a five year on going dispute.Maybe we should go back to Chretien and Grand Mere

  • Wargamer

    Pablo Rodriguez is not a member of the government that ran on a platform promising transparency and accountability.

  • Passing by

    Maybe the opposition and media should just shut up about everything until stories the government wants covered are thoroughly exhausted.

    And it's not just the Rodriguez story that's ignored. I mean, when is the last time you saw media media reports on the sponsorship scandal?

  • Wherryiggy

    That's right! He's a member of a party that promises nothing but opacity and lawless, unchecked power!

    (Who would have ever imagined that the Liberal Party stood for anything else?)

  • BC Blue

    lol Thank you for confirming that the Liberals have not run on being transparent and accountable and that you have no problem with a drunk driving MP who also lied to the police when caught.

  • bennji1977

    Around the question of transparency ……… how did the public find out about what had happened to Pablo?

  • BC Blue

    Media finally got a hold of it. Iggy already knew about it for a month and was going ape over the Jaffer charge during that whole time.

  • gottabesaid

    "Elections Canada laid the charges — which variously carry sentences of up to a year in prison and fines up to $25,000 — after getting the go-ahead from the Public Prosecution Service of Canada, which has been reviewing the case for 20 months."
    http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/4928…

    Did you know the Public Prosecution Service of Canada was set up by Stephen Harper? Yeah, THAT Stephen Harper! He set it up "to remove any cloud of political interference from the legal system." Oh, and the head of Elections Canada? Appointed by Stephen Harper.

    So do you really, REALLY think the Public Prosecution Service of Canada would sign off on these charges if they felt that it was a trumped up partisan goose chase? If it's bunk, the charges will be thrown out.

  • Jan

    For the party of Law and Order they certainly don't seem to have much faith in the justice system.

  • Gayle

    You are right! And why don't they keep mentioning that a conservative prime minister had "business dealings" with Schreiber. And come to think of it, I have not read a single word about the Pacific Railway scandal lately.

  • chet

    Dear Editor

    the commenter directly above (a known liberal supporter and conservative hater) in using the popular definition of "troll" is suggesting that this blog is some liberal haven where pro Harper or anti Liberal views are not welcome.

    I don't seem to see the libblogs banner on this site, and in fact I do believe the assets of this site are owned by a publicly traded media company.

    While it is obvious the writer of this blog is far left leaning, and uses it as a platform to engage in little true objective political analysis and primarily perform pro Liberal/anti CPC propaganda,

    deleting comments by virtue of the fact that they espouse the "incorrect" (read conservative) views would…take the cake…so to speak.

    I may disagree with what you say but will fight to the death for your right to say it. Sadly, many on the left, including in realm of what was once a bastien of free thought – the media – seem to think otherwise.

  • evenflow

    I will not fight for your right to lie and be dishonest. You deserve to go down in flames for your attacks on logic and your untruths.

  • Halo_Override

    Dear chet,

    Some conservatives (and even Conservatives) make good points using grown-up language. They are welcome.

    Others — see arturo with "Igsnotieff" on the previous page — have kindergarten intellects, do not understand debate or discussion, and are just noise. They are a nuisance.

    In society, we learn to tolerate nuisances, whether it be the screaming baby on the bus or the screaming schizophrenic on the street corner. The internet is not society.

    When one learns how to hold a proper conversation like a proper adult, one is generally welcome in a place like this no matter how consistently wrong they may be about everything they choose to talk about. Failing that, if one can at least be entertaining above the level of poo-poo jokes, one can still earn a place in a respected room.

    But when one is strident and humorless and immune to counterpoint or self-awareness or self-criticism, one can expect only so much tolerance. You don't take a dump on the table at a dinner party and expect to be invited to stay for dessert.

    Don't worry, none of this is on the quiz.

  • whitey228

    Wow Chet, what are you 12? Teacher, teacher, Tommy is a liberal supporter. This is a public forum where people voice their opinions. Now that being said, there are only 2 things that will get more people talking, religion and politics. Now if you do the math and figure that this is a public forum where people are able to comment on this article, a poltical commentary, then it would only be logical that people will comment on the politics that are written about. Now take that logic one more step, if we dare, and assume that not all people have the same political preference, and it is quite plausible that at least 25% of the readers support liberals and 75% hate conservatives. Perhaps Sesame Street has a less political public forum that you would find more enjoyable?

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