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The Commons: 'A five-year-old accounting dispute'

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, February 28, 2011 6:04pm - 141 Comments

The Scene. Imagine, if you will, that it was 2003 and several Liberal party officials, two of them sitting senators, were accused of violating the election laws of this country. Imagine that a department of government created by the prime minister had decided to pursue charges in this regard. And imagine that, in responses to questions about this matter in the House of Commons, the prime minister sent up his parliamentary secretary with something like the following.

“Mr. Speaker, this is, of course, a five-year-old accounting dispute.”

Imagine how incensed Stephen Harper, seated across the way in the opposition leader’s chair, would have been to hear such a response, how angrily he would have condemned this as galling and outrageous and unacceptable. Indeed, imagine how he might have waxed philosophic about democracy and the moral authority to govern.

Good thing then that Mr. Harper was absent this day, away from the House of Commons as his parliamentary secretary, Pierre Poilievre, stood to say this much on the Conservative party’s behalf.

On Mr. Harper’s behalf, Michael Ignatieff stood to heap scorn.

“Mr. Speaker, the government is playing fast and loose with the facts. This is not a debate. The party opposite is facing criminal charges and jail time if it is convicted,” he declared.

“No!” protested various Conservatives. And indeed, on this last bit about criminality, Mr. Ignatieff would seem to be mistaken.

“It forms part of a pattern,” he continued, undaunted. “When the government faces tough questions, it shuts Parliament down. When a minister misleads the House, the Prime Minister actually gets up and applauds her. When Conservative Party operatives are faced with serious criminal charges, it turns it into an argument with Elections Canada.”

He was quite indignant now, shaking his left fist at the government side. “It is not an argument,” he ventured. “This is an accusation of fraud. Why does the government not understand that this is undermining Canadian democracy?”

Mr. Poilievre was unpersuaded. “Mr. Speaker, allow me to correct my honourable friend,” he offered. “In fact this is an administrative dispute that dates back five years.” Indeed, in successive answers, whispering as he strained to seem as non-threatening as possible, Mr. Poilievre would deem this an “administrative matter” and an “administrative issue.”

To the linguists who script this stuff each day, this no doubt seems a masterstroke. Use the word “administrative” and suddenly the accusations that you cheated during a federal election seem so dreadfully boring. As if the Conservative party merely neglected to fill out the proper form in triplicate and now some pencil pusher in HR is nagging them to do it over again. Just some silly paperwork that needs to be attended to. Nothing to worry yourself about. Just relax and listen to the cool sounds these airplanes make.

As for Bev Oda, the aforementioned minister involved in the aforementioned allegation of misleading Parliament, what is actually a matter of paperwork (or at least how one accounts for that paperwork) is conversely treated with the sort of reverence and exaltation reserved for hockey players who’ve managed to play despite a torn ligament or bruised organ.

“She made a difficult decision,” proclaimed John Baird this day when the Liberals got round to dealing with this matter directly. “It was the right decision. She has made a great contribution to international development right around the world and she has a record all Canadians can be proud of.”

As he did last week, Mr. Baird would later upgrade this decision to “courageous.”

But however courageous and right and pure Ms. Oda’s decision-making, she remains unable, unwilling or simply unallowed to stand and explain herself.

“Mr. Speaker, around the world people are craving democracy, they are craving transparency, they are craving accountability. Canadians are no different. They have the same expectations and demands of their government,” Bob Rae posited. “I would like to ask the minister if she will simply answer a simple question. What happened in that two-month period between the decision by the two officials at CIDA to make the decision and her decision to put the ‘not’ in? What happened in that two-month period?”

Mr. Rae looked directly at Ms. Oda. Ms. Oda, seated in her assigned spot along the second row of the government side, looked directly back at Mr. Rae. And yet, when Mr. Rae finished, it was Mr. Baird who stood, again, to respond.

“Let her speak!” barked Ralph Goodale from the Liberal side.

Mr. Rae tried again. Once more, Mr. Baird stood to answer.

“Let her speak!” came a voice from the Liberal side. “Let her speak!”

The Bloc’s Johanne Deschamps stood next with two direct questions for Ms. Oda, each time it was Mr. Baird who stood to respond.

One wonders what Mr. Harper—or at least that Mr. Harper who once sat here as leader of the opposition—would have said had he been here to see this.

The Stats. In and out, 12 questions. KAIROS, six questions. The budget, four questions. Tunisia, Libya, ethics, gas prices, the G20, Open Government and crime, two questions each. The economy, innovation, fisheries and the Quebec City arena, one question each.

Pierre Poilievre, 11 answers. John Baird, seven answers. Stockwell Day, six answers. Tony Clement and Ted Menzies, three answers each. Christian Paradis, Peter MacKay and Dave MacKenzie, two answers each. Randy Kamp, Rona Ambrose, Daniel Petit and Josee Verner, one answer each.

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  • Wherryiggy

    Great job, Aaron!

  • LivbloginJunkie

    Imagine, if you will, finding a more benign way of saying Ignatieff is lying than, Mr. Ignatieff would seem to be mistaken.

  • Realistic

    Pierre Poilievre did a great job today, explained it well to Iggy and his mob, yet they seemed to not hear the answer as they kept at it like insane members who keep getting the same result but doing it all over again.

    • frobisher

      Poilievre always does a great job! He is not only under-utilized, he is underestimated. Canadians need to see more of this young firebrand! More please.

      • criselis

        I agree. As an Ottawa resident I think more people need to see what an exemplary representative Poilievre the person Harper chose for his parliamentary secretary is.
        I particularly think of the day the Prime Minister apologized for Residential schools and Poilievre added his take on the issue. http://www2.macleans.ca/2008/06/11/pierre-poiliev…
        and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0ECX4zXLY

        • frobisher

          Speaking his mind. It's as if he was across the Timmie's table from you, wiping cruller crumbs off his romanesque lips as he did so!

    • Reverend_Blair

      I was kind of expecting, given the pile of horse manure that piled up every time he spoke, that Pierre himself might be accused of misleading parliament. The federal court never ruled on the matter at hand, as Pierre was claiming today when he said the federal court sided with the Conservatives. What the court did was say that Elections Canada couldn't levy fines before the case was decided, and that they weren't going to make that decision.

    • ThinkingMan

      Yes, another up-and-comer who is proving to be willing to lie for Harper in the House of Commons with a straight face. This is a trait that Conservatives value, apparently.

  • Mary Hines

    Last week the liberals cooked up Odagate…. this week – five year old electiongate…. what else do they have…. a weak, unbelievable leader with a bunch of have nots for front bench side kicks…and an NDP cutting everyones throat….

    • Wherryiggy

      What else do they have? They've got Aaron!

      • NorthernPoV

        Dear Editor
        your blog-site has been invaded by trolls
        please add a "sort by thumbs" feature

        • I second this.

        • Thwim

          I'd be happy if they simply blocked non-verified posters. It's not like it's that much trouble to get verified, but it'd certainly kill off a ton of the sock-puppets.

    • Gayle

      Cooked up Odagate? I guess they forced her to lie to mislead Parliament?

      I know they are awful people, but this is a bit much don't you think?

  • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

    At least Baird should stand up as Bev Oda in drag. That'll fool 'em

    • briguyhfx

      This would be both awesome and accurate. IT MUST HAPPEN!

    • criselis

      Baird could ask Oda to lend him her sunglasses and a cigarette
      (I blame dougrogers and the coalition for my above insensitivity)

  • BC Blue

    Pablo played the political card, repeatedly saying it was due to his being a Liberal that the police were charging him and that his career of 30 years was being threatened.

    It shows Iggy to be a complete hypocrite who should have tossed Puff Puff out of the caucus.

    • OriginalEmily1

      He didn't say anything like that, but it's a red herring anyway.

      • BC Blue

        From the Chronicle Herald:

        When the officer told Rodriguez that he would be charged for refusing to blow, and outlined the penalties, the MP became upset. "Rodriguez told me several times that we were going to damage his career that he had taken 30 years to build," the officer reported

        • OriginalEmily1

          Which is not the same thing as what you claimed.

          Rodriguez did take a breathalyzer test….several times. The officer said it wasn't satisfactory.

          And again…you are waving a red herring.

          • BC Blue

            Wow, you are either stunningly obtuse or a Liberal shill.

            Police officer said Puff Puff Pablo had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and at first said he had nothing to drink before admitting to “two small glasses of wine”.

          • OriginalEmily1

            Wow, you are either stunningly obtuse or a Con shill.

            <')))>< • • • •

          • D.D.S

            again….what has this got to do with the article?….red herring is right

          • Healthcare Insider

            Emily, he purposely did not blow hard enough to complete the test. The officer then told him that was the same thing as refusing to blow. You are right though he did not say that the officer was charging him because he was a Liberal. What he did say according to Macleans online was that he "hoped" the officer wasn't charging him because he was a Liberal. He did however lie about having imbibed. He did fail to complete the test in a manner sufficient to obtain a result.

          • OriginalEmily1

            Gosh, all these Cons that were there at the roadside and know precisely what was said. LOL

            Breathalyzers work just fine….lots of 'roadside lawyers' think they can get away with not 'blowing' hard enough. It registers.

        • Gayle

          Your quote does not reflect that he said he was being charged because he was a liberal.

          Do you have anything else?

  • peter

    Yeah, you can tell by how they are proceeding as a summary offence (like a speeding ticket) how deep the roots of corruption extend. It is a difference over interpretation of language (no doubt poorly drafted/ambiguous rules.) Who but our "brave bureaubots" would invest five years and god knows how much money in arguing about how they failed to draft a reasonable rule in the first place. Never admit fault, just try and make criminals out of those who simply got the best legal opinions they could at the time and proceeded. PATHETIC.

    • motor

      what's truly pathetic is subversion of democracy and anyone who supports those who take part in it

  • paulsstuff

    The Scene. Imagine, if you will, that it is 2003 and several Liberal party officials,including a cabinet minister, were accused of violating the election laws of this country by using an illegal kickback of taxpayer funds to the party. Imagine those stolen funds were spent on undeclared election campaign expenses, and yet for unexplained reasons Elections Canada decided not to pursue charges in this regard. And imagine that, in responses to questions about this matter in the House of Commons, the prime minister chose to send the cabinet minister in the middle of it all, to be Ambassador to Denmark.

    • Wherriggy

      But really there's no comparison because back then Aaron wouldn't have been around to sooth Paul Martin's aching loins.

      • Wherriggy

        "If you will"

        • Jan

          Cons making gay slurs. Sure you wanna go there?

          • Big Gay Al

            Do you project much, nimrod? Or do you just always take references to homosexual relations that are couched in terms other than roses and lollipops to be "gay slurs"? Or do you consider references to "roses and lollipops" to be gay slurs? Personally, I don't think that politically correct librulls like yourself even have time for homosexual relations what with your ***holes being so tight all the time. And, personally, I'd consider the sight of Aaron Wherry and any given Liberal Party leader (of any given gender!) locked in amorous embraces to be an honestly ecstatic expression of true love – a model for the ages in its purely passionate mixture of raw heat and tender sensuality. If you find honest descriptions of such natural love as exists between Mr. Wherry and the objects of his affections to be "slurs", that reflects on no one but you and your tight-***ed friends.

  • chet

    At the heart of the matter is the accounting distinction between national and local ridings.

    All parties utilize the grey between what is national and what is local – conceptually a distinction that is more "chicken or egg" than right or wrong.

    You'll recall that last time around it was admitted that all parties had such issues.

    Yet it is the conservatives….on the eve of an election that are being treated like "criminals" to use Iggy's words.

    This is no small matter. To say "just because others do it doesn't make it right" may have weight in a world where the relevant group is the entire populace and a certain segment within it may be off base.

    There are a handful of political parties. They all distinguish local and national riding accounting to their benefit as the conservatives have done, but only one is even investigated.

    This is the true scandal. A war by a liberal infested civil service waged against our duly elected officials…of the "incorrect" party.

    • lgarvin

      What other party has been credibly accused of doing the same thing?

      Please provide specifics. Dates, circumstances, names, sources.

      I don't kid myself that any party is above suspician, I'd just like to see a little meat on the bone.

      • paulsstuff

        Here are some examples. http://stevejanke.com/archives/246538.php

        Stephen Taylor also has blogged about examples from the Liberals and NDP that mirror what the Conservative Party did, yet Elections Canada fought to have that information not allowed into the court record.

        • Reverend_Blair

          Because in the other cases the parties/MPs in question repaid the money and, I believe, fines in some cases. They basically said, "Oops, we misinterpreted the rules." They were also individual riding associations and not an organized plot by the party in those cases.

          Funny thing about politics…the campaigns at the riding level are mostly run by amateurs. They make mistakes. Elections Canada deals with them accordingly. The Conservatives could have made this go away when it first came up. There would have been a few stories about it for one news cycle and they would have been out some money, but given their coffers it shouldn't have been a big deal. Instead they decided to go to war with Elections Canada.

        • Gayle

          Thanks Paul. Seeing that the CPC are alleged to have used this practice to circumvent the spending limits, can you or Mr. Janke post links to where other parties used this scheme to circumvent the spending limits?

          Because if you can't, you really should stop pretending it is the same thing.

    • gottabesaid

      'A war by a liberal infested civil service waged against our duly elected officials…of the "incorrect" party.'

      Really? Is that it?

      "Elections Canada laid the charges — which variously carry sentences of up to a year in prison and fines up to $25,000 — after getting the go-ahead from the Public Prosecution Service of Canada, which has been reviewing the case for 20 months." http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/4928….

      The Public Prosecution Service of Canada was set up by Stephen Harper "to remove any cloud of political interference from the legal system." The head of Elections Canada was appointed by Stephen Harper.

      I get that you disagree with the charges — fine, that's what the courts are for — but to suggest that this is being pursued by a 'liberal-infested civil service' is a load of crap. Even the party leadership isn't calling it that, much to their credit.

    • gottabesaid

      From today's Globe:

      While the case was brought by elections commissioner William Corbett, it was up to the public prosecutor to determine if the charges should go forward. “The decision-to-prosecute test is very simple,” Mr. Brien said, before reading verbatim from the public prosecutors' deskbook. “In the assessment of the evidence, the evidence must demonstrate that there is a reasonable prospect of conviction.” And if there is, Mr. Brien added, “does the public interest require a prosecution to be pursued?” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tory…

      Yeah, really sounds like a war waged by a liberal infested civil service.

  • danby

    Accountability

    Sending up Messrs. Poilievre and Baird to reframe context, deny everything and try to spin it 180 degrees.

    Quite honestly, they come off like 9 year old boys denying they had anything to do with the missing brownies, all the while having chocolate smeared all over their noses.

    At least Paul Martin had the stones to call an inquiry.

    • paulsstuff

      Sure. An inquiry whose terms of reference did not allow Gomery to look at any advertising contracts that were being investigated by the RCMP. Which should have been the whole point of said inquiry, no?

      The same Paul Martin who as finance minister made laws allowing for offshore accounts to avoid paying Canadian taxes, and then used said rules for CSL.

      Paul Martin, the PM caught on film stepping on the bodies of tsunami victims all in the name of a photo-op?

      Paul Martin, the gur who lost to Stephen Harper?

      • danby

        "This is about more than the specific sordid details of this specific scandal," he said to cheers. "It's about accountability."

        "When I become prime minister I will undertake an unprecedented overhaul of the federal government," he said. "That is my commitment to you."

        "Cleaning up government begins at the top," he added, accusing Prime Minister Paul Martin of deflecting blame whenever the taint of scandal touches him.

        Stephen Harper 2005

        http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20051104/conserv…

        • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

          That should be read into Hansard.

        • Barcs

          Looks like the same rhetoric that Chretien used in '93

          And we all know how that turned out don't we??

    • Bluescot

      The courts have cleared them. Why is this an issue?

      • Reverend_Blair

        The courts haven't cleared them. When Pierre says he's purposely misinterpreting the truth.

      • frobisher

        Whoops. Spoke too soon! Oh, well, there's always the SCoC! Now would that be party $ or taxpayer $?

  • BobbyB

    For a party that stumped on a platform that it would govern differently, with honesty and integrity, these Conservatives sure smell like rotting fish! The emperor has no clothes and yet Conservatives just can't see it!!

    • paulsstuff

      Go back and read the 1993 Red Book. An end to cronyism. An end to corruption. A new way of doing politics. OK, I guess they actually did keep that promise about a new way of doing politics, using stolen money to keep themselves in government.

      • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

        This is standard talking point: The Liberals did it, so it's okay that then the CPC did it.

        Oh, and the CPC ran on that very Liberal platform too didn't they? A different way of doing things, end to cronyism, yadda yadda yaddda.

        So this proves that we cannot believe what any politicians say, and that most certainly, the opposite will happen.

        If the previous is true, then hard core CPC supporters voted for, continue to vote for, support and justify the lies they obviously voted for.

        • Barcs

          And yet we are supposed to condemn the tories for doing it and forgive the liberals and vote them in. Why do you insist what the tories has cone (which is the same) is deserving of having liberal government??

          I wish we could have your mythical perfect government. But when I step into the voting booth on e-day… I am not making that comparison. I am comparing the Tories to the Liberals.

          So why is that comparison so out of line here? Does it just not fit with your preferred narrative about how evil the tories are because they are right wing,… and how angelic the liberals are because they are not?

          • Gayle

            I think the point is exactly the opposite. When people like Stephen Harper and his party faithful condemn this kind of conduct on the part of others, it is utterly hypocritical to turn a blind eye to it when your own guys do it.

            Why is that so hard to understand?

          • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

            You could probably read through my Intense Debate comment history and find where I state such a binary dilemna as the only solution. Not. No,I long ago abandoned Either/Or, Us/Them positions. I would rather we had Peace, Order and Good Government.

          • criselis

            Barcs muses "And yet we are supposed to condemn the tories for doing it and forgive the liberals and vote them in."
            I agree Barcs and will not vote Tory or Liberal.

  • chet

    But you know what does carry "criminal" sanctions?

    Possession of proceeds of crime. It's in the criminal code. Look it up.

    There's still $40 MILLION or so dollars that haven't been paid back via adscam.

    Possessed still. To this day. A continuing offence.

    While we're on the subject of "criminal sanctions" maybe Iggy could tell us all how possession of proceeds of crime doesn't carry jail time, but this accounting nonsense does?

    • brooster2

      Do you, by any chance, have technicolor dreams about adscam? It's turned you into a one-trick pony.

      • chet

        Like a festering wound, until its returned its offence is enduring, repeated over and over and over again.

        I suspect if your neighbor stole your life savings, and you had to watch him accross the street, laughing it up, even chiding you for not "getting over it" while your money sat in his account,

        you would be a tad more moved.

        But alas, that's the beauty of leftist thinking, it's easy to throw away other peoples money.

        • brooster2

          Since you appear oddly fixated on the alleged transgressions of historical political figures, does the image of one Brian Mulroney pocketing wads of cash from a foreign lobbyist cause you similar distress?

          • lgarvin

            It does me.

            I don't think constantly telling Chet that he's wrong about Adscam is very effective. Because he's not wrong.

            But Adscam does not excuse or exonerate the present day Conservatives any more than it excuses Brian Mulroney.

          • brooster2

            "I don't think constantly telling Chet that he's wrong about Adscam is very effective. Because he's not wrong."

            I've never suggested chet is wrong about adscam. Merely that he never leaves it alone…ever. IMO, he manages to reduce debate about almost any other issue to some kind of rant about, or reminiscence of, adscam. There must be a Chet's Law governing it in his universe, as immutable as gravity.

            It just gets old after a while.

        • chet

          "alleged transgressions"

          And there we have it….adscam no longer part of reality, just an "alleged transgression."

          The liberals are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history they now deny.

          • Jan

            If that's the Libs mistake, the Cons seem to be repeating it.

    • Halo_Override

      ADSCAAAAAAAAAAAM!

      • MostlyCivil

        I knew it. Chet's a survivor of the Kobayashi Maru.

  • motor

    seriously, when has mr. poilievre ever been factually forthcoming with Canadians

  • BC Blue

    Imagine if you will Elections Canada bending over backwards to allow 6 Liberal leader wannabes to extend loan deadlines and not even bother filing an objection with the court which granted yet another.

    • Gayle

      Imagine if you will a world where there is something in the Elections Act that allows EC to do something, anything at all, about the overdue leadership debts.

      I suggest you do some research and find out what their options are before you start the faux outrage about them doing "nothing".

    • Thwim

      Hint: Extending loan deadlines doesn't take money away from you or I, the taxpayer.

      In-and-out did.

  • peter

    It's almost like the majority of the wheryyites are as hopelessly deluded as their ring master. Just keep throwing mud at the wall gang…but be careful beause those who throw mud will get it all over themselves…sooner or later.

    • brooster2

      And, I suppose in your world, the Harpercrites' persistent defense of a government that promised accountability and transparency while delivering the complete opposite is nothing but clarity of vision.

      Who, exactly, fell down the rabbit hole here?

      • peter

        No one fell in any hole. You may be familiar with the expression "tempest in a teapot"? That's pretty much what this is. Now the organized criminal conspiracy of kick backs and padded contracts for which no work was performed conducted bt the Chretien Liberals and apparently asleep at the switch Paul Martin would pretty much be considered a "criminal enterprise". After this all blows over let's re-examine some of those old files and police notes and see if the Gomery net was cast wide enough. I'm sure there are many high profile Liberals who were grateful the whole affair ended the way it did.

        • brooster2

          That's fine…what's preventing Harper from resurrecting the adscam investigation, if there's unfinished business there? In any event, none of that is justification for this government's excessive secrecy, sabotage of HoC committee processes, abuse of arm's length public agencies, evasion of ministerial accountability, diminution of parliament, and allegedly illegal manipulation of electoral finances. Why don't all those champions of justice who keep revisiting adscam express any outrage over the conduct of this government, as well?

  • chet

    I take the liberty of repeating the post in the subthread below because it deserves particular mention (in response to the question of where there is credible evidence of other parties doing similar things:

    Here are some examples. http://stevejanke.com/archives/246538.php

    Stephen Taylor also has blogged about examples from the Liberals and NDP that mirror what the Conservative Party did, yet Elections Canada fought to have that information not allowed into the court record.

    • lgarvin

      I read your link and – while it's good information – I don't think it actually supports your claim.

      It certainly underlines the fact that all parties attempt to maximize their refunds (surprise, surprise) but I don't see anything that aligns with the present case. It's not the fact that money is moved back and forth between local and national campaigns, it's not even the debate about national and local advertising expenses, it's about a deliberate scheme to exceed the national spending limit by laundering money through local campaigns which had not yet exhausted their own local spending limits. This is underlined by the fact that many of the Conservative candidates who found themselves involved in this mess were involved without their knowledge or consent.

      Janke provides numerous examples of local candidates communicating with the national campaign offices around spending "ceilings." But many of his examples actually weaken the argument that "everyone does it." Most of his examples show candidates & campaigns trying to get close to the line without going over. His example about the ad on the OMNI station makes an interesting case in point. Janke seems to be confused – and offended – that the NDP is counting Chinese speakers in a riding and allocating the costs of an ad accordingly. Apparently he failed to consider that the ad in question is targeted on the basis that it's in Chinese and therefore quite properly a local ad expense for that riding.

      I'm afraid that those examples don't do much to change my opinion.

      • lgarvin

        But here's something that does… I had a vague recollection of this story and I finally tracked it down.
        http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/blo…

        The Bloc Quebecois has long been using a variation on this scheme and – so far as I can tell – continues to do so.

    • http://twitter.com/MePonders @MePonders

      so you use a BS conservative Blog that spews BS to defend the BS your conservatives do? And you think this will profit you how? Did you get a cheque in the mail with your cut of the over $10Billion dollars unaccounted for and your precious conservative shrouded fools refuse to release the supposed books that are confidential? These are all duly elected members of the government and you don't seem to realize when you have been duped. I am betting you have been ripped off more than once by unscrupulous sales people and you have called them crooks and never even bothered to avenge them because you are a LAME individual! So go hang your head and cry like your Bully friend John Baird will once the anvil of justice falls upon his head. God….. CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTERS ARE MORONS!!!!

  • chet

    Again, if we were talking about a law that applies to millions of Canadians, the fact that others have done the same thing without being charged or even investigated, would be irrelevant, and likely improper.

    That this law applies to a handful of entities and it is only being applied against one of them, smacks of abuse of process of the worst, undemocratic kind.

    • brooster2

      Especially when you consider that Elections Canada (not the Liberals) created and staffed the agency that is laying the charges…go figger.

      Elections Canada may eventually turn out to be just another of the several arm's length agencies that Harper has beheaded because they don't conform to his perverse notion of "democracy".

  • Mike T.

    I wish Stephen Harper would react like Paul Martin did back then – hold investigations and get to the bottom of the matter !

    • Sue

      History has shown Paul Martin was a complete and utter fool for doing it.

      • Barcs

        Yup he held an inquiry about the issue… using a terms of reference so narrow they pretty much had to go on hearsay over a time period that didn't even cover the entire scandal.

        And after all that weaseling around trying to bury the issue beneath a cloack of good feelings…. it still gave enough evidence to sink him.

        • Thwim

          How sad it is that Harper can't even bring himself to do that much.

    • Manchild

      Harper is a gutless coward. A true schoolyard bully. It's the conservative way.

      • Barcs

        He really did learn alot from Chretien didn't he??

        • D.D.S

          What's your point..that you are proud of Harper morphing into Chretien?

  • MBToday

    Opaque, obtuse, yes means no and no means yes; make cowardly decisions and make crude forgeries to make them look like the experts recommended them; make use of accounting of doubtful legality and ethical decency. yep the Haperites have my vote!

  • Enslaved

    Clearly the Liberal media jihadists feel that regurgitating Liberal attack narratives will somehow help the Liberals in the election they are about to force. The Liberal media jihadists are throwing their feces around the PPG and their newsrooms because the Conservatives are doing exactly what the Liberals, NDP and Separatists are doing. The media's hysterical, selective indignation only seems to be evident when it involves Conservatives. Where was the media outrage when the Separatists invented the so called "in and out scheme"?

    • Reverend_Blair

      "Liberal media Jihadists?" Really?

      • Barcs

        Don't you agree with Bob Rae words and character?? Or is it only really bad when the right start's using the same language the left seems to get away with over and over.

        • Reverend_Blair

          Actually I don't much care about Bob Rae one way or the other. I've never voted Liberal and I don't live in Ontario.

          I guess you and the rest of the right wing don't mind if we call Harper and the rightwing press Inbred Hillbilly Nazis though? I'm pretty sure Coyne would object to having that moniker hung on him, for instance. Rightfully so too.

          The reality of the press in this country is that there are more right-leaning press outlets than left-leaning ones. Most, no matter which way they lean, try to achieve some kind of balance by presenting views from the left, right and centre.

          In the case of this story though, there are legitimate questions about members of the Conservative Party and the Harper government. To go after the press for reporting that those questions are being asked is juvenile at best.

          • Enslaved

            I hate to break it to you, but the media don't care at all… Perhaps you missed the media reaction to Bob Rae calling Conservative Government staffers "jihadists"… Media reaction? "Meh… no big deal". There is absolutely no reason, or legitimate questions surrounding the Conservative Government with regards to this issue, and the media know it. This is a case of EC wasting taxpayers money to further the cause of the Liberal party. This manufactured story is about Liberal appointed bureaucrats and Liberal mouthpieces within the media aiding in the Liberal party narrative manufactured for the election the Liberals are about to force.

  • Arturolexo

    Igsnotief is going down!

  • Healthcare Insider

    I am glad to hear bennji1977 that you do not have respect for people who drink and drive. I, however think we should hold a politicians feet to fire when they break the laws of the country especially when it is something like drinking and driving. Former BC premier Gordon Campbell should not have gotten a pass when he did it and neither should Rodriquez. Had he harmed someone while driving intoxicated, how would you feel about him continuing in his position then?

  • Barcs

    Why? It's not like it was a surprise and it's only $100 million… what about HRDC, the Gun Registry, Shawinigate, Sea Kings, Challenger jets, George Radwanski, Art Eggleton, Lawrence MacAuley, the jet-setting Governor General, Canada Steamship Lines. What's the big deal?… are you really ready to hold politicians accountable?… this time?

    Much better to have the other guys in, isn't it??? There is a flaw in your plan to compare Harper and the tories to a mythical perfect government (whatever that is for whoever is listening)…. The flaw is, that they aren't running against that mythical perfection. They are running against other groups , with a record longer and worse then their own. (And some of us remember)

    And in the time that the previous government built that record, Harper was watching and learning. And he really learned alot from Chretien… never apologize, never give in, ignore the complaints… and they will eventually go away. Anyone remember Stewart resigning from HRDC? Nope… Chretien said "It's only a few million" and we all went on about our business.

    You don't like Harper? Blame his teacher… And blame the people in the liberal party under Chretien's tutelage that didn't learn the same lessons from him that Harper did.

    • Reverend_Blair

      I'll blame Harper for his transgressions and Chretien for his, if you don't mind.

      Your justification of, "The Liberals did it too," wouldn't hold up in a kindergarten playground and it certainly doesn't hold up here.

    • D.D.S

      yeah yeah …it's the Liberals fault….we know…uhuh

  • Lyndie

    I see that some of the "Lie"brals have not paid for the last election. Elections Canada keeps extending the time aloud which is breaking the law.
    The Cons. at least used their own money, not like ADSCAM where the "Lie"brals stole CANADIANS money.

    • D.D.S

      awww you guys are so clever………and I hate to tell you this but because they are reimbursed 60%…I'm pretty sure that means they have "stolen" CANADIANS money…..too funny

  • briguyhfx

    Holy crap, did this post ever attract a lot of PMO flying monkeys. Hitting a little close to home, methinks.

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