The future: Trudeau vs. Kenney

Trudeau lost the latest battle with Kenney, but there will by plenty more to come

by Paul Wells on Friday, March 18, 2011 8:00am - 224 Comments
The future: Trudeau vs. Kenney

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In April 1993 Ralph Klein was the new premier of Alberta and he was trying to decide how serious to be about cleaning up the province’s budget. The big symbolic issue was MLA pensions. Tory legislators had run up huge deficits. Now many were preparing to retire on cushy taxpayer-funded pensions.

Klein said he couldn’t just retroactively change the terms of those pensions. That put him on a collision course with the 24-year-old head of the Alberta Taxpayers Association. Fellow by the name of Jason Kenney.

Klein accosted Kenney after a news conference—“red-faced, sputtering, and barely coherent,” Ken Whyte later wrote in Saturday Night magazine—to complain about the way Kenney was pressuring him.
“The media-savvy Kenney was on four open-line shows within 24 hours,” Whyte, who now publishes this magazine, wrote. “The next 10 days were misery for Klein.” Soon the premier caved in and retroactively scrapped his colleagues’ pension deal.

I thought about that moment this week when Justin Trudeau found himself on his own collision course with Kenney.

These days Kenney is the federal minister of immigration. He’s released the latest edition of a citizenship guide for new immigrants. “Canada’s openness and generosity,” it says at one point, “do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.”

Trudeau is the Liberals’ immigration critic. “There’s nothing that the word ‘barbaric’ achieves that the words ‘absolutely unacceptable’ would not have achieved,” he said.

“We accept that these acts are absolutely unacceptable. That’s not the debate. In casual conversation, I’d even use the word barbaric to describe female circumcision, for example, but in an official government of Canada publication, there needs to be a little bit of an attempt at responsible neutrality.”

Well, Kenney came down on Trudeau like a ton of bricks. “Despite Trudeau’s opposition,” Kenney’s spokesman Alykhan Velshi said, “we make no apologies for letting immigrant women know their rights.” Kenney followed up in person, first via Twitter. “Liberal cultural relativism is precisely what undermines public support for multiculturalism,” he wrote. “It’s wrong & irresponsible.”

Soon Kenney was falling back on favourite tactics. The media-savvy minister was on nine open-line shows the day after Trudeau’s remarks were published.

Not for the first time, he worked with an NDP colleague to squeeze the Liberals out, quoting a series of tweets from the NDP’s Olivia Chow: “Perversely named ‘honour killings’ are barbaric, whether they take place here or anywhere else in the world.”

Trudeau gamely defended himself for a while (“What if the guide were to call honour killers assholes? We could all agree, but would you want to see that in our guide?”) before finally apologizing (“Ok, final word: all violence against women is barbaric. If my concerns about language led some to think otherwise, then I gladly apologize”).

It may not be too great a reach to suggest that Trudeau, outnumbered and outflanked to his left and right, lost this round. But there will be more. Increasingly, Jason Kenney and Justin Trudeau look like the future of their parties.

That’s not the same as saying they’ll be their parties’ leaders. That’s in the hands of card-holding party members and the fates. But each man carries in him something of the culture of his own political movement. Both will be around for many years yet. Their influence can only grow.

So much of Stephen Harper Conservatism is now run by, through, or on the sufferance of Jason Kenney that he has become his leader’s indispensable man, a C.D. Howe for a new and stranger age. He runs his government’s immigration policy and a disproportionate share of its foreign policy. He is responsible for his party’s outreach to ethnic minorities and, an embarrassing letter this month revealed, more of its fundraising activity than he likes to acknowledge.

Kenney’s leader trusts him to reach out beyond the Conservative base and to deepen the party’s roots in the same base. Sometimes both at once. I think one reason Conservatives jumped on Trudeau’s “honour killing” comment was they know some of their supporters would rather read that this government is against “honour killing” than to learn that the same government’s citizenship guide now recognizes gay marriage as part of “Canada’s diversity.”

This uneasy mix of policy and tactics, of red meat and olive branches, requires agility only Kenney can manage, and even then not all the time.

I started out writing, “Trudeau is newer to politics,” but that’s not really true, is it? There is the not inconsiderable matter of his breeding. He and his brother Alexandre were born, to Pierre and Margaret, on Christmas Day, two years apart. I have found him to be modest and diligent—no, really—as he builds a political career. He is proud of values Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney went into politics to fight.

Trudeau’s inherited star power really is something to behold. Two years ago in Ottawa’s ByWard Market I was startled to notice crowds on a saloon’s summertime patio staring in my direction. I finally realized they were staring past me, at Justin Trudeau.

Quebec’s nationalist elites saw Trudeau as a laughable throwback to outdated values. So far he keeps beating them. Canadian conservatives see him as a laughable throwback to outdated values. His party will sink or swim on its ability to keep those values relevant in a new era. The Liberals’ silver-spoon multiculturalist will sink or swim with it.

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  • BCVoiceOfReason

    Will Trudeau be in the 41st parliament?

    He won by 1129 votes last time. 2.8%

    The Bloc and NDP is polling higher Liberals lower.

    The Green only polled 2.8% last election in Papineau with Dion being their first choice for PM. If you were a Green supporter you would not be near as comfortable voting Liberal this time.

    • TimesArrow

      Trudeau's credentials as a greenie are pretty good – that's what i hear on the environmentalist grapevine.

      • BCVoiceOfReason

        would he get more or less support from Green voters than in 2008?

        Dion and the deals with May caused a whole lot of Green Support to move to the Liberals.

        As Liberal leader Dion would have been by far the best GREEN PM in history and in the foreseeable future.

        The whole Liberal platform was designed to get the Green vote.

        As the environment is no longer anywhere as large an issue as was in 2008 the total number of environmental voters will be down…. but they will almost all be voting Green.

        I would feel comfortable saying that the Liberals will lose 2% points of the environmental vote (in each riding) that Dion delivered in 2008. That by it's self puts Trudeau perilously close to being an ex-MP and ex-Leadership contender.

        • TimesArrow

          Perhaps. However there are a lot of other variables here. How has the riding taken to him? Has he done enough to impress? Is it a given the bloc vote will be the same, more or less? Are the bloc going to target him specifically…he may have made some friends by this time among the bloc?
          Even if you are right about the green vote it doesn't follow that that is the only reason Trudeau won last time out. In a nutshell…do they like him enough to keep him?

  • Olivier

    When I found out the whole story, that Trudeau didn't simply say "you shouldn't say barbaric" but rather offered valid reasoning it really changed the way I understood this "issue" (it really isn't though).

    I agree that the use of the word "barbaric" isn't very becoming for the government. However I don't really have an issue with the government using it, but it's foolish to attack Trudeau for him suggesting a more "proper" way of saying the same thing.

    The whole thing is ridiculous.

    • Halo_Override

      Rookie mistake. A more experienced politician would have recognized this as a likely no-win issue, and proceeded very delicately with it, if at all. Wrong hill for charging. (And I say that as someone who isn't a fan of Justin, but who also feels he had a good point with this.)

    • Luc A

      Olivier, I couldn't agree more. On top of that he has retracted his statement. It should be a dead issue. But I don't believe the partisan blue machine will let it go any time soon.

      • Keith in Brampton

        The apology was a mistake; he had nothing to apologize for. Kenney was deliberately misconstruing his words and so he should have stuck to his guns and called Kenney on the deliberate deception.

  • McC_

    you didn't read the sentence in question: "barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.” (emphasis mine)
    What is in question isn't whether ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence are barbaric. Apparently what is barbaric is some other un-named/un-described class of "cultural practices" (whatever those are) that tolerate ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.

    I think it's a silly sentence and that our Government should strive for much better in its communications. For example, I would suggest that the much simpler sentence "Canadian society does not tolerate spousal abuse, ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence." full stop would be a much more effective communcation.

    • TimesArrow

      Well, you wouldn't expect them to actually name the cultures now, would you? That would undermine the other half of Jason's remit for the party.

  • Bluescot

    I do believe we must judge cultures. Culture enacts inappropriate activities and gives them justification.

    • James Connors

      I do believe we must judge cultures. Culture enacts inappropriate activities and gives them justification.

      Oh! Now I understand. Thanks.

    • Reverend_Blair

      Well, having witnessed the destructive qualities of the Conservative culture of celebrated stupidity, perhaps you have a point.

  • Carmudgeon2

    Trudea may be partially excused due to his youthful exuberance, not totally untouched by inherited arrogance, but I still respect the fact that he did fight a good battle with the incumbent. He should try to think and respect fact that Canadian women may not necessarily think that it is NOT babaric to be beheaded by one's spouse. He should read about the Husseins' Rochester Multicultural TV channel where the proud owner beheaded his wife after years of continuous abuse. No, young Trudeau, these are not sensitivities of "conservatives" only!
    (read below):

    I also think that Jennifer Ditchburn while on At Issue with the Cohen/Chantal duet, made a very astute observation on our learned Curry-in-a-Hurry Minister of Immigration….

    "Perhaps Jason Kenney is preparing for his next BOLLYWOOD starring role"!!

    Might I add Kenney may want to benefit with an understudy of Rush Limbaugh's girth and substance?

    • Mike T.

      Actually, Kenney should apologize and change the guide.

    • toadstooldiva

      I agree with your description of Justin! Arrogant or not, we need someone intelligent, articulate (and perhaps wealthy) who has the courage to stand up to Kenney, and demonstrates honor and grace in recognizing defeat. I think it was good for him to learn first hand how a seasoned politician can deflect a sound argument!

  • Memi

    "Trudea may be partially excused due to his youthful exuberance, not totally untouched by inherited arrogance, but I still respect the fact that he did fight a good battle with the incumbent. He should try to think and respect fact that Canadian women may not necessarily think that it is NOT babaric to be beheaded by one's spouse. He should read about the Husseins' Rochester Multicultural TV channel where the proud owner beheaded his wife after years of continuous abuse. No, young Trudeau, these are not sensitivities of "conservatives" only! "

    Well said! and the same goes for:

    "also think that Jennifer Ditchburn while on At Issue with the Cohen/Chantal duet, made a very astute observation on our learned Curry-in-a-Hurry Minister of Immigration….

    "Perhaps Jason Kenney is preparing for his next BOLLYWOOD starring role"!! ''

    • vera

      For pete's sake!! Justin is 40 years old this year…. No youth!! He is down the tubes, not to bright, another boring Trudeau!!

  • ABC

    But don't you think it would be better if the Curry Minister could bring with him Sarah Palin's strategy and planning team, together with a Herbal Magic spokesperson, eh? What an embarrassment to Canadians Jason Motor Mouth is. A used car salesman has more finesse…. He fits right in with the Harper gang of no-fly zones…

  • http://twitter.com/saskatoonauthor @saskatoonauthor

    >>Trudeau gamely defended himself for a while (“What if the guide were to call honour killers assholes? We could all agree, but would you want to see that in our guide?”) before finally apologizing <<

    A great deal of this played out on Twitter this past Tuesday morning. The part I've quoted from Paul's column is a Tweet that Mr. Trudeau directed to me. Here's the bits from Twitter:

    justinpjtrudeau Justin Trudeau, MP
    My problem with the use of the word barbaric is that it was chosen to reassure Canadians rather than actually change unacceptable behaviours

    To which I Tweeted:
    @justinpjtrudeau Honor killings aren't behaviors. they're murder.#hw

    To which he Tweeted:

    @saskatoonauthor What if the guide were to call honour killers assholes? We could all agree, but would you want to see that in our guide?

    To which I Tweeted:

    @justinpjtrudeau Most Canadians view murderers as something like 200 miles past being an asshole. Murder is barbaric last time I looked

    I like Justin Trudeau, but he blew it big time on this one. Interestingly, he hasn't Tweeted since March 15th.

    • Thwim

      But you didn't answer his question. Should our guide say they're assholes?

      • FVerhoeven

        should our guide say somethings like 'thwimbactoo' when it doesn't apply??

        • Thwim

          Why is it so hard to answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or no?

      • RagingRanter

        One is considered a swear word. One isn't. Barbaric is a perfectly acceptable word to use when describing barbarism. Asshole is far too general.

    • Olivier

      All you showed here was your inability to keep up with a debate. He offered an argument and you didn't answer it and you also, in your reply, proved his point.

  • ABC

    And to think that dear Jason is STILL A BACHELOR!!!

    We are sure the dear boy will blessedly find someone somewhere along his many cultural travels who can cook and read his Guide at the same time,eh?

    tsk tstk……

    • FVerhoeven

      :)

  • Ingemar

    As a conservative, I really hope that Trudeau becomes the leader of the liberals. It probably will happen since they continue to beleive that the only problem they have is the face of the party. Things have changed,you have to stand for something!

    • FVerhoeven

      You've got it, Ingemar!

    • Thwim

      What.. exactly.. does the CPC stand for?

      Honesty? Such as "I will not tax income trusts"?
      Respect for democracy? Such as proroguing instead of facing a vote of non-confidence?
      Fiscal austerity? Such as the rapidly ballooning budget of the PMO?
      Evidence based decision-making? Such as CDIC's endorsement of KAIROS?
      Respect for people's individual rights? Such as during the G20?
      Defense of the arctic? Such as with icebreakers icebreaker patrol boats?
      Defense of our soldiers? Such as with their orders to transfer detainees to afghan prisons?
      Transparancy? Such as the information office falling further behind than ever?
      Accountability? Such as the minister in charge of protecting whistleblowers doing the opposite?
      Empathy? Such as "death by a thousand cold cuts?"

  • zoe

    Jason Kenney must have been a Used Car Salesman in his previous life!

    Love this guy's pizzazz—how come he's still a bachelor?

    • Mike514

      Are you and ABC the same commenter? Your comments are eerily similar.

    • DianaMarie

      Sorry, Used Car Salesman label has already been co-opted. This writer applied it to Brian Mulroney years ago ;-)

  • Big Bad Dave

    Kenney will not win the leadership of the Conservative Party. Keep your ears open to what his rivals are saying privately and you'll get an idea of the dirty tricks fest in store once PMSH goes.

    • FVerhoeven

      That goes on in any political party when leadership changes hands

      • RagingRanter

        True that. I think John Turner, Jean Chretien, and Joe Clark are STILL digging knife fragments out of their backs.

  • kcm

    "That’s not the same as saying they’ll be their parties’ leaders. That’s in the hands of card-holding party members and the fates. But each man carries in him something of the culture of his own political movement. Both will be around for many years yet. Their influence can only grow."

    That's an astute observation PWs. When, if ever, will either party want to take the risks of having either of these talented men front and centre? I mean they're both polarizing in their respective ways. I hope they both take the risk – it would be an interesting scrap.
    At least one upside for Trudeau in all this is he has at least demonstrated he does have some fire in his belly – i was beginning to wonder. Good to know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

    Since it's my non partisan day [ i said something nice about Wayne on another thread] Wouldn't it be something if this country were able, despite their political differences, to have the full benefit of their talents pulling together?

  • s_c_f

    I don't think Trudeau knows what he's doing. I think he says a lot of dumb things. I'm sure there must be a million Liberals out there who would be better choices to lead the Liberals in the future. The only thing Trudeau has going for him is the name.

    • Mike T.

      He's not great. Here, though, his biggest problem was underestimating the CPC's inclination to misrepresent what he said.

    • RagingRanter

      A million might be stretching it a bit. I think you meant 2 or 3.

  • Reverend_Blair

    Please show where Trudeau, or anybody else involved in this conversation, said that?

  • Mr Irrelevant

    Speak for yourself.

    • OriginalEmily1

      Check the stats.

  • don craig

    the ideal of multiculturalism was very good, even lofty. The reality of it is that is an abject failure, that it is tearing at the very roots of our culture and that it, not only promotes, but in many cases funds racism. This is Trudeauism> Past, present and future.

    • TimesArrow

      Seems to be working here a hell of a lot better then it has in europe.

      • RagingRanter

        So far. We'll get ours yet. Of course, when we do, we won't reject multicult. We'll redouble our efforts to be more "open and understanding". That's just what we do as Canadians. If someone complains about the doormats, then we're obviously not lying still enough.

  • don craig

    oh yes death to all political dynasties.. Trudeau, Layton/Chow, Kennedy, Gaddafi et al

    • RagingRanter

      Layton/ Chow? A dynasty? Of what?

  • Enslaved

    While it's true that Liberals would love a return to the destructive days of imposed history denial and divide and conquer politics of fancy pants Pierre, Justine is about as sharp as a hole in the ground. To say that Trudeaus kid is a lightweight, dumb arse would be a serious over estimation of his abilities. I'm not entirely sure that Baby Doc Trudeau isn't as big an A-hole as his old man was, but clearly Baby Doc Trudeau is not as devious and warped as the old man. Baby Doc Trudeau should stick to doing what he and his deranged Father does best… acting. Grow some facial hair or do a somersault for the media, light one of his farts on fire, or slide down a bannister, but please save us all from pontificating about the glorious unicorns and rainbows of the unhinged, PC, Trudeauvian State. Baby Doc Trudeau is a way out of his league, but if the media and other Trudeauvians believe Trudeaus kid to be the new messiah of the Trudeauvian State (formally Canada) and the "Liberal" party, then I for one would welcome that gift. LOL!! Trudeaus empty headed kid would make Dijon look like Churchill and American Igg would be the second coming of Eisenhower.

    • Keith in Brampton

      Wow! Real mature and insightful, Enslaved! Love "Baby Doc"; ever thought of being a speechwriter for the CPC?

  • France

    In case little Justin does not understand the meanings of Barbaric/Barbarous; vicious, brutal, ferocious, cruel, painful, inhuman/inhumane, merciless, ruthless, etc. As the adage goes, if the shoe fits, it’s usually ugly and in this case it certain fits in the description in the acts of barbarisms. Justin’s wimpy ‘absolutely unacceptable’ shows that he has absolutely no understanding of these barbaric acts to especially women & children!! It is time Justin grew up and educated himself on real world issues & stop embarrassing himself of his ignorance!!

    • Keith in Brampton

      Question: If I were to call you or your culture "barbaric" in the same breath as I was trying to persuade you that certain behaviours common to the society you until recently belonged to were not acceptable in Canada, would you be
      (a) more proud; or
      (b) less certain
      about your decision to become Canadian?

      The purpose of the document is to inform new Canadians of the nature of our society and how it may differ from their own – i.e. to tell them what is expected or not expected of them. Insulting them is NOT a positive reinforcement mechanism. It's the difference between friendly persuasion and picking a bar fight.

      If Kenney wants to pick bar fights, he shouldn't do so while wearing the mantle of a minister in the government – and esp. not the mantle of Minister of Immigration.

      • RagingRanter

        It is worded "barbaric cultural practices". Nowhere does it say "barbaric cultures". Learn to read before getting all self-righteous.

  • FVerhoeven

    If Justin Trudeau didn't have the "looks' they wouldn't look past you, Paul. Nothing against your looks; your looks are fine. It's just that Justin has those classic features. He can't help it either. It just is. No one can hold that against him.

    But if one could look past his looks, then his outlook could be seriously enough considered. And I don't think it would be a winner.

  • FVerhoeven

    Ok, this is what it says: "Canada’s openness and generosity do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, ‘honour killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.”

    This is what Justin Trudeau said: " Ok, final word: all violence against women is barbaric."

    But that's being clever by half! What about violence against men (husbands), Mr.Trudeau?

    You see, my concern is with your reading skills, MP Trudeau, because it does not say that 'all violence against women is barbaric'; spousal abuse is mentioned as one example of it being a barbaric cultural practice, which would mean that abuse of women AND men is not to be tolerated.

    Ok, conclusion (final one): " all violence against women and men is barbaric."

    • TimesArrow

      Only a complete idiot could conclude that that the term spousal abuse used in this context could be other than female.

      You are the one trying to be too clever by half. Just what barbaric cultural pratices would you say are targeted at men?

  • FVerhoeven

    Paul Wells, here is the thing that people like Justin Trudeau don't understand.

    Most often, when spousal abuse occurs, the environment close to the abuser will not talk about the abuse within his/her presence. The act of abuse, even if it has come out into the open, will not be discussed by friends or relatives of the abuser. That is a huge problem, society-wise speaking.

    When the abuser is not facing criticism from his/her close friends and relatives (because it makes for very complicated situations within family and friendly settings when abuse has taken place) and if the abuser is furthermore not being faced by the wider outreach of a community such as the posters here or politicians there, the abuser starts believing that it's no big deal, really. Life goes on as normal, because the abuser never has to hear how truly barbaric such practice is – before AND after.

    Believe me, I have a sister who was abused, seriously abused, in front of her children which was the biggest crime of all I think, and when you see how an abuser tries to get away with things by having his friends treat him like nothing has changed, makes my heart sink.

    (Personally,I will no longer take his phonecalls, and I will not talk to him unless he apologizes to me first, to me, and I am the sister of the abused. But I think that's how it should be. The abuser needs to feel the shame coming from the wider community at large). )

    • FVerhoeven

      But here is what really matters, and here is what is of importance regarding the difference between Justin's wiggle room and Jason's firm stand:

      the children of the abusive relationship!

      If children, or young adults, who have been part of the abusive relationship, will not hear from the wider community that abuse is absolutely wrong, they will not feel that they are taken seriously enough within the abusive situation, that their situation is less important than the wishy-washy protection of the abuser. It sets the wrong tone. It gives the wrong confidence to the children or young adults who have been within the abusive relationship. It is the children and young adults who need to feel that they are the ones to be in need of protection, not the abuser.

      • Holly Stick

        And was this abuse an expression of his and your cultural identity?

        Why does Kenney's booklet not just say all domestice violence is wrong, no matter the cultural identity of the people committing it? It's the phrase "barbaric cultural practices" which is a problem here, because assumes that only barbaric foreigners might commit such violence; whereas native-born Canadians commit it as well.

        • FVerhoeven

          Any cultural identity! When there is spousal abuse, or honour killings or whatever else is mentioned in that segment of the booklet, is to be understood as a barbaric practice, whether practised by native Canadians or by newcomers. The practice is barbaric. And the text in the booklet is exactly saying that.

          I am not reading anything else into the text than that which has been stated. And it clearly says that the practice of such is barbaric. (english isn't even my first language and I can read it as printed)

  • kat

    Jason Kenney reminds me of the school kids that skip English and therefore all they know is F.. this and F.. that. And of course the government funded Macleans will take the side of ignorance by Conservatives.

    • Keith in Brampton

      I'm decidedly anti-CPC (as opposed to anti-conservative; there is a distinction), but even I am aware of the decidedly liberal slant of many of its columnists. Taking the side of the Conservatives? Do you actually read the columns?

  • pete e

    "Barbaric" strikes me as a fine choice of plain-spoken language. Other terms would have worked just as well. Heck, I'm open to suggestions of better term.But to say that "barbaric" is unacceptable: I have a problem with that.

    "Absolutely unacceptable" sounds like the Liberal position on gay marriage up until a week before they decided that opposition to gay marriage was "absolutely unacceptable".

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