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'Canadians got to ask themselves is this the kind of politics you want?'

by Aaron Wherry on Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:19pm - 300 Comments

In an interview with CTV, Michael Ignatieff responds to the Conservative attack on his family heritage.

In response, the Liberal Leader accused the Tories of twisting the facts and acting outside the bounds of decency. “Their attack on me is a disgrace. They’ve attacked my patriotism. They’ve attacked my commitment to the country. And now they’re attacking my family.”

He said the Tories’ targeting of his character and family is unparalleled in this country. “These personal attacks are unprecedented in the history of Canadian democracy,” Mr. Ignatieff charged. “[Stephen Harper] is absolutely out of control. He thinks he can get away with and say anything,” the Liberal Leader said. “A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. I am a proud Canadian. I won’t take that from him or from anybody else.” He added: “Canadians got to ask themselves is this the kind of politics you want? This is a prime minister who is prepared to say anything to hold on to power.”

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  • LdKitchenersOwn

    God, let's just have an election already, I don't even care how it goes or who does well or who gets destroyed, I'm just sick of this whole circus.

    If we're going to have all of the ads and politicking and sniping and attacks of an election, why make us suffer through every last second of it and not let us vote at the end? We've been in the last election campaign since about five minutes after the last election, and everybody knows it. At least let us go to the polls finally.

    I'm just so sick of all of it, it's making me depressed.

    • John_Edgar

      I'm with you on that.

      For a couple of minutes I was thinking of viewing the original LPC ad that mentions Ignatieff's parents, then re-reading the Conservatives smears/fact-checks and then seeing which was closer to the truth. Then I realized (a) I don't care since none of it is remotely interesting or will make any difference to who I vote for and (b) life's just too short for this nonsense.

      • http://my.opera.com/ZakMichigan/blog/ Jean Chicoine

        And I'm with you both on that as well.

    • Mike T.

      This may have been Harper's plan all along! Be so vile that the average person turns away in disgust.

    • RagingRanter

      Stop watching the news. Stop listening to talk radio. And stop reading MacLeans. I did all of these things. MacLeans was the last to go. Haven't logged in here in about 3 months, and I can see I've missed absolutely nothing. The "media" is just a tool used by those with something to sell to keep us stupid and keep us buying. Look at Emily. I bet she watches the news every day. Hasn't helped her much has it? Seriously, go on a media diet for the next few months. It's like prune juice for the mind.

      • LdKitchenersOwn

        Not bad advice.

        Sadly, I'm a junkie. You might as well ask me to give up Scotch.

        • TimesArrow

          Sadly, I'm a junkie. You might as well ask me to give up Scotch…but that doesn't make…oh i get it.:)

          RR's advise isn't all that bad, at least for a while. I take off sailing every summer and don't miss politics for a second [ read the paper when i get a real bad craving, but a strict ban on blogs, including macleans] That way icome back a fully charged up partisan in the fall…don't know if that helps much really? :) But i'm really really looking forward to this summer and try not to think about the fall.

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Further, from the Harper Government's website:

    Although there was barely enough money for basic necessities, George’s resourceful mother managed to squeeze enough out of the household budget to send her young son to Montreal’s exclusive Lower Canada College. The stock market crash of 1929, however, put an abrupt end to George’s private–school education. With the advent of the Great Depression, Ignatieff and the rest of his family united under one roof in Thornhill on the northern outskirts of Toronto.

    And now the Harper Government, after keeping this for five years on their website is telling us that the Harper Government has been misleading Canadians on the background of the leader of the Official Opposition.

    Shame, Harper government. Grow a pair. Remove George Ignatieff from the Harper Government's website.

    • Lola

      Does anybody remeber the 80's and Conservative Mila "Stand by my man as long as he's a rich man and can keep me in style" Mulroney and her love of shopping and the privileged life? I miss that.

      • Lola

        remember :)

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Thank you, Warren Kinsella for the reminder :

    We were joking this morning. What’s Ignatieff’s wife’s name again? [Ignatieff is married to Zsuzsanna] Exactly. So in the next election it’s Steve and Laureen vs. Count Michael and What’s-Her-Name. It’s almost a dream for us.”

    – Jason Kenney, parliamentary secretary to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, quoted in Right Side Up, by Paul Wells, p. 265

    What's her name's name is way too difficult for the average, timbits-eating, uneducated,second-rate prototype of the real Canadian the Cons envision Canadians to be to remember a name that is not of white, anglo-saxon origin.

    • Mike T.

      Kenney strikes me as exactly the kind of person who would give an award to a local businessman (without bothering to separate his cabinet post and party affiliation) and then go home and make fun of that businessman's accent.

    • OriginalEmily1

      'Susanna' is too hard to pronounce?

      The Kenney-doll has been eating too many donuts.

    • Patchouli

      Kenney, the immigration minister, said that? To Paul Wells? That alone should sink their campaign — but it won't.

      Personally, I love Zsuzsanna — she looks quirky and fun and intelligent. Laureen has a shiny smile, but I do believe the rumours about the state of their marriage. Iggy and Zsuzsanna, on the other hand, have a chemistry that makes them look adorable together.

  • brooster2

    OK, so here's a little-known fact that is absolutely Con-like in its ironclad accuracy:

    Stephen Harper and Karl Rove are twins

    No, really…it's true…I swear.

    • Jan

      One got all the hair – other than that they're identical. Karl even sings on stage.

  • Mark W

    Let's see…

    Stephen Harper has been portrayed by the Conservatives as a 'family man', espousing 'family values'.
    IF someone claimed that Harper's grandmother was a part-time whore 'paying the bills on her back', or that his great-grandfather was in fact a lying, cheating horse-thief, would that be considered 'fair play', because after all, those apparently are Harper's values?

    Family should be considered off-limits for personal attacks in politics. I recall Jean Chretien's nephew's issues being foisted back on the PM as 'proof' of wrongdoing somehow… it was unacceptable innuendo then, and it is unacceptable innuendo now!

  • http://www.clearpolitics.wordpress.com Rolf_Auer

    “A Quick One re Tory Scandals” (very brief article)

    “The Tories and Canada are Incompatible” (longish article)

    http://www.clearpolitics.wordpress.com

    (Click “About” re reading posts.)

    @Rolf_Auer

  • Leo

    Too manyvoters remember Liberal REAL scandals.

    But the real scandal involved how the $350-million sponsorship program was administered. In her 2003 Auditor-General’s report (released in February, 2004) Sheila Fraser concluded that from 1997 through 2001, the program was run “in a way that showed little regard for Parliament, the Financial Administration Act, contracting rules and regulations, transparency and value for money.” She found that more than $100 million — two out of every seven dollars of the program — was misspent. Later, Norman Steinberg, head of the audit and ethics branch at Public Works, testified before Parliament that the department “broke just about every rule in the book.”

    • Thwim

      I'll see your 100 million and raise it 10 times, taken from our forestry industry on the eve of winning the final NAFTA challenge, and handed over to our US competitors so that Mr. Harper could be seen to have an early "win"

  • OriginalEmily1

    Rather than listen to 10 more idiotic and repetitive posts from Cats

    Count Paul Iggy (grandfather), White Russian, not so popular in post-Revolution 1919, flees Russia after facing execution … Takes family to England … Gets 25,000 pounds sterling out of Russia … buys farm in Sussex … (ie: spends money on farm) … Count Paul gets depressed, has affair with the lady next door, abandons family in England, runs off to Paris to be depressed with other ex pats … farm fails ….

    Uncle Dima, Iggy's father's older brother, comes back from Canada, sells farm, telegram to Count Paul in Paris – "I'm taking Mom and the two youngest boys (including George, Iggy's father) to Canada" … Count Paul joins them four years later … So it seems quite probable that when George and his mother came to Canada with his brothers, they had next to nothing …

  • Leo

    Liberals cheating Elections Canada

    "The commission heard testimony from bureaucrats, political staffers, Liberal Party operatives and advertising executives about elaborate plans to funnel money to individuals and companies with party connections. In turn, these people helped the Liberal Party of Canada in Quebec by putting campaign staff on their payrolls (thus circumventing Elections Canada spending limits), and doing undocumented campaign work for the party."

    • MostlyCivil

      A little late for channel changing. Also, for better realism, you need a connecting sentence that ties the current topic into adscam.

      Quite a poor effort, really. Could do better. See Mr. Baird after class.

  • Holly Stick

    The Harper Gutterment at work. Using taxpayers' money to lie and smear since 2006.__

    • Holly Stick

      Gutter politics are not welcome in Canada.

  • Prairieanne

    The article is lauditory regarding Mr. Ignatieff's family. It merely points out that they were not penniless as Mr. Ignatieff claimed. Yes Mr. Ignatieff can be proud of his family, but he shouldn't fudge the facts.

  • Leo

    Count Disingenuous trying to change the channel, lol!!!

    "But the Sponsorship scandal was merely the worst of the indignities plaguing — but never dethroning — the Chrétien government over its decade-long reign. The others included: Breaking his promise to scrap the GST; interfering with commissions investigating Canada’s tainted blood system in Canada; covering up the brutalization of a Somali teen at the hands of Canadian armed forces; allegations of interference by the Prime Minister’s Office in the police crackdown on the 1997 APEC summit in British Columbia; responding to an aggressive protestor by violently choking him and chipping his tooth; lobbying the Business Development Bank of Canada to grant a loan to a friend involved in the purchase of a property in Shawinigan; and the Human Resources Development Canada debacle, in which it was found that HRDC-funded job-creation projects, mostly in Liberal ridings, routinely lacked proper paperwork."

    • MostlyCivil

      Starting off your channel changing attempt with the phrase "change the channel" reminds the reader that you're doing it yourself.

      That's a second distraction fail in a row, Leo. You need some tutoring.

    • LdKitchenersOwn

      I'd try to change the channel too if all I could find was re-runs of shows from seven years ago starring a guy who's not even on T.V. anymore.

      • Leo

        Chretien may be gone, but many of the same Liberals are still around. That is why Count Disingenuous is not passing the smell test with the voters. Iggy, scandal free, good pedigree, well educated and travelled, comfortable among diplomatic circles – sounds perfect – the Liberal back-room boys were thrilled. Problem is, it is not working, thus the polls.

        "Conservatives best party to deliver trustworthy government: election poll"

        • LdKitchenersOwn

          44% of Canadians believe that some party OTHER than the Conservatives is best party to deliver trustworthy government, and 29% aren't willing to count on ANY of the parties as being able to do so: the same poll.

  • anon

    i don't know much about ignatieff's family history (nor do i care) but one thing is obvious to me on this blog: the right-leaning commenters are considerably more articulate than the left-leaning commenters.

    • Mike T.

      no.

      • Scribe

        Mike T—left-leaning commenter !

  • FVerhoeven

    Mr.Ignatieff speaks about trust a lot in the video

    Here's what the latest poll numbers say about trust:

    "Sixty-three per cent said that “electing a party and leader that will provide honest, open and trustworthy government” is more important.

    • 28% of Canadians believe the Conservatives, if re-elected, would do the best job of “providing honest, open and trustworthy government.”

    • 22% believe the NDP would do the best job of this.

    • Just 15% say the Liberals would be best at providing honest, open and trustworthy government. "

    • Thwim

      Over 40% think all of them suck.

      No Incumbents!

  • FVerhoeven

    I wonder what kind of upbringing MP Pat Martin had:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shODUxldXX0

  • FVerhoeven

    Wherry quotes: "Their attack on me is a disgrace. They’ve attacked my patriotism. They’ve attacked my commitment to the country. And now they’re attacking my family.”

    Actually, Ignatieff started off this way:

    "attack my dad, attack my family…" then went on to partriotism.

    Just saying.

    If Ignatieff wants to put his father front and center, than Canadians have every right to comment on his father and the facts he brings forth.

    Otherwise we might as well debate the last century and have no long any input whatsoever. Is that what Ignatieff wants us to agree to? I find his logic rather confusing.

  • FVerhoeven

    “You can see people want to have ethical government. They’re not wrong about that. What they (the Liberals) are wrong about is seeing themselves as the people who are capable of delivering it. The proof is not there for the public.”

    according to the newest polling results…….(March 15)..

  • FVerhoeven

    Stock has his Dino, but I have my father. And were my father still alive he would have found Bev Oda in contempt of Parliament."

    (overheard in one of Michael Ignatieff's dream)

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      You mean it's a Conservative fact.

      • TimesArrow

        Can we now say, unequivocally, that FV has lost it?

  • http://tiny.cc/CRUSH Nadine Lumley

    Political Polls out themselves as worthless

    OTTAWA – Canada's notoriously competitive pollsters have some surprisingly uniform advice about the parade of confusing and conflicting numbers they're about to toss at voters ahead of a possible spring election:

    Take political horse race polls with a small boulder of salt.

    "Pay attention if you want to but, frankly, they don't really mean anything," sums up Andre Turcotte, a pollster and communications professsor at Carleton University. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingn….

    We invited Allan Gregg from Harris Decima (and the At Issue Panel on The National) and Paul Adams, assistant professor at the Carleton school of journalism. Adams covered Parliament Hill for the CBC and The Globe and Mail. He also worked for EKOS Research. Here's that conversation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-b…

    • FVerhoeven

      Of course the polls don't mean anything when the numbers for the Tories go up! How dare we have a look at the polls….and so forth.

  • http://tiny.cc/CRUSH Nadine Lumley

    Ray Novak: Steve Harper’s Closet Confidant

    He used to live above Steve Harper’s garage. Now he may be the second most powerful man in Ottawa.

    “Ray is effectively the Prime Minister’s closest confidant,” enthuses one government official. “Not only as a member of his staff, but as a personal and intimate member of the Prime Minister’s life.”
    http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/07/20/who-knows-what…

    • Holly Stick

      So what about him?

  • http://tiny.cc/CRUSH Nadine Lumley

    Harper says he loves Algonquin Park too

    There is one laughable quote from his little brother claiming Stephen was "showing leadership skills" back in high school by "organizing his peers in his neighbourhood" (oh yes, we all fondly remember those types of kids).

    They make up for the lack of rhetoric on Harper's childhood by heavily leaning on the personalities of others – a page and a half describing the great personality and successful career of a man who doesn't seem to have a thing to say about Harper but that they went to school together, ten or more pages describing the parents and neighbourhood, all the while Harper is suspiciously absent.
    http://www.metaball.ca/2008/ball_Mar-08/0308_01.h…

  • FVerhoeven

    Now, this is a hoot:

    I'm just taking a peek at the anti- Harper website http://catch22campaign.ca/profiles/blogs/harper-r…

    and this is what the site has to say:

    first the headline: "Harper reaches back to 19th century to attack Ignatieff" (Mnmmmm, strange twist. I thought Ignatieff was the winner for reaching for that past tense century first, but ok, let Harper have a first….)

    But then one of the paragraphs says this:

    "What does Michael Ignatieff's father, grandfather and great-grandfather have to do with anything? Why are the Cons digging through 19th century history books to find anything they can to poison voters' minds? Why can't they focus on political differences?"

    And the Catch 22 website is wondering why Harper is asking the same thing???

    Duh…So all together now: What does Michael Ignatieff's father, grandfather and great-grandfather have to do with anything?

    • Halo_Override

      So that's a Gotcha in your view, but NOT was okay? Is that my take-away point?

      It's a deal, then. The left can talk about Carson, Cadman, Oda, KAIROS, taxpayer-funded CPC branding of government communications and nomenclature, In & Out, no-tender jet fighter contracts, ministerial accountability, the How To Cheat in Committees handbook, the G20, Rights & Democracy, the Toronto Pride Parade, Linda Keen, Veterans Affairs, Statistics Canada, and the UN Security Council — and the right can talk about Adscam, Harvard, and Michael Ignatieff`s forebears.

      • Holly Stick

        FVerhoeven does not know the difference between an unofficial anti-Conservative blog and an official Conservative screed. Hint: the second one should not descend into the gutter because then it shows that the politician who allowed it belongs in the gutter himself. (I'm not saying the first should be in the guter, but since it is not an official blog it does not reflect badly on a political leader.)

        • FVerhoeven

          We should consult Pat Martin on this. He's the classiest man around. The NDP must be proud of him.

          • Halo_Override

            We're doing non-sequiturs now? Okay.

            Although I appreciate the experimentation of Closer, I'd have to say that Unknown Pleasures is my favorite of the Joy Division albums.

  • Holly Stick

    One of Harper's ancestors here, who bought a gentleman's manor house, which sounds rather elitist. (Somebody posted the link on a Macleans post, but I forget who.)
    http://heritage.tantramar.com/WFNewsletter_45.htm…

    • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com dougrogers

      Looks like Christopher Harper arrived with money.

      • MostlyCivil

        Added bonus? He was an economic refugee..

        "Like most of the Yorkshire immigrants to Nova Scotia his rents had been substantially raised by his landlord and he wished to "seek a better livelihood"

  • gottabesaid

    196 comments and counting regarding the 'immigrantness' of Iggy. Glad to see the big issues of the day getting the debate they deserve.

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Conservatives expect us to believe they know the details of the life of a dead man they have never met better than the dead man's son who knew his father well.

    I understand why the honest Conservative candidate who refused to participate in the in-and-out calls the CPC a cult. Believe, even confronted with pure nonsense.

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