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Aaron Wherry covers all the goings-on in and around Parliament Hill. Follow Aaron on Twitter: @aaronwherry

The Commons: Who's laughing now?

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, March 21, 2011 6:03pm - 103 Comments

The Scene. In case anyone on the government side had forgotten, the leader of the opposition stood to recall where proceedings had left off a week ago and what else had arisen in the interim.

“Mr. Speaker, the government faces two RCMP investigations at once, one of them about Bruce Carson’s influence peddling right in the Prime Minister’s Office, and four members of the Prime Minister’s inner circle face accusations of election fraud that could result in jail time,” Mr. Ignatieff reported. “As if that was not enough, a committee of this House has found the government in contempt of Parliament.”

The government side chuckled at this last bit.

Democracy is, of course, a funny thing. An unruly, chaotic, competitive thing, compelled by unwritten rules and collective will, as much theoretical as it is practical and inherent. Ours is formally practiced in ancient dignity: “Mr. Speaker” this and “honourable member” that. A quirk that renders the proceedings both hallowed and peculiar, grounded and remote.

And from that do we arrive now at a finding—or at least a formal recommendation to that effect—of contempt.

It seems to be the government side’s feeling that this is not anything to be taken seriously. That this is all only to do with the fact that a majority of seats in the House of Commons are presently occupied by MPs who have pledged themselves to parties other than the Conservative side.

That may well be true. But to argue as much is, it seems, to question the entire legitimacy of our parliamentary system, from the power and purpose of the elected MP to the function of the political party to the role and representation of the voter in our democracy. By week’s end, this government may be the first in this nation’s history—the Liberal side claims this extends to the history of all other commonwealth governments—to be found in contempt of Parliament.

“This is an unprecedented cascade of abuse. The issue here is one of trust,” Mr. Ignatieff continued. “How can Canadians remain trusting of a government guilty of such flagrant abuse of power?”

The government side sent up John Baird to reassure the home audience. ”Mr. Speaker, it will not come as any surprise to the leader of the Liberal Party that I completely reject all of the misleading premises in his question,” Mr. Baird said, though it was unclear whether he meant here to dispute facts or meaning.

“There is no member of the government who is under investigation for a criminal offence,” he continued, previewing the Conservative side’s new election slogan.

Here, then, the government House leader moved to delight the crowd with a delicate three-step.

First, a lament for the previous Liberal administration: “Let me be very clear, this government is the government that acted very expeditiously to bring in the Federal Accountability Act, to clean up the ethical mess that we inherited from the previous Liberal government.”

Second, a gratuitous swipe at Mr. Ignatieff’s previous residency: “He was not in Canada to know exactly how bad the Liberal ethics policies were.”

And third, a salute to the man for whom the Government of Canada is now named: “Maybe he should look at the Federal Accountability Act and look at the great changes, especially, that this Prime Minister has ushered in.”

Unpersuaded, Mr. Ignatieff restated his thesis en français. Mr. Baird was now positively besmirched. “Mr. Speaker, I guess the Liberal leader believes we do not need to have police to conduct an investigation,” he sighed, apparently in reference to the questions surrounding Mr. Carson. “We do not need to have a court system. He will simply assign guilt as he sees it on the floor of the House of Commons.”

Not, of course, that the government wasn’t entirely committed to seeing the guilty held to account. “Let me be very clear, this is the government that brought in tough penalties for people who break the law,” Mr. Baird said. “Anyone convicted of breaking the law will face the full force of Canadian law.”

Up to and including, one assumes, those four Conservatives charged with violating election law.

Mr. Ignatieff was now compelled to go all figurative on his opponent. “Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives cannot deny the RCMP is crawling all over the government at the moment,” he said.

The Liberal leader switched then to a more fiduciary concern ahead of tomorrow’s budget. “Conservatives also expect us to vote tomorrow for a budget without telling Canadians what their waste is going to cost, waste on corporate tax giveaways, waste on prisons, waste on jets which they do not have accurate costing on for Canadians,” he declared. “Instead of telling Canadians the truth, they went out last week and spent millions of taxpayer dollars on government partisan advertising.”

Mr. Ignatieff had but a simple request. “When,” he begged, “is the government going to show some respect for taxpayers and a little respect for democracy?”

Some? A little? Here was an obvious attempt at compromise.

Mr. Baird was not ready to negotiate. “Mr. Speaker,” he demurred, “I do not agree with the leader of the opposition at all.”

Indeed, Mr. Baird was now apparently quite hurt. “The Liberal Party can try to attack the government with political smears,” he sighed. “It has become very good at it.”

Now it was the Liberal side’s turn to engage in theatric guffaws.

The Stats. Ethics, 19 questions. Infrastructure and taxation, four questions each. Libya, government contracts, employment and the economy, two questions each. Libya and Rights & Democracy, one question each.

John Baird, 12 answers. Rona Ambrose and Jim Flaherty, four answers each. Rob Merrifield, three answers. Christian Paradis, Peter MacKay, Stockwell Day, Diane Finley and Vic Toews, two answers each. Diane Ablonczy, John Duncan, Daniel Petit, Lawrence Cannon and Tony Clement, one answer each.

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  • OriginalEmily1

    Oops….

    'Second, a gratuitous swipe at Mr. Ignatieff’s previous residency: “He was not in Canada to know exactly how bad the Liberal ethics policies were.”'

    Then why try to blame him for it? LOL

    • Leo

      Birds of a feather……….

      Last week’s Maclean’s story detailing strategist and organizer Beryl Wajsman’s return to the Liberal Party of Canada has erupted in Ottawa. Wajsman, whose name appeared on a list of ten prominent Liberals “banned” from the party following the sponsorship scandal in 2005, has since returned to the Liberal fold, primarily as an organizer for Michael Ignatieff advisor Alfred Apps.
      http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/27/sorry-have-we-…

      • OriginalEmily1

        I'm afraid old stories aren't going to help the Cons in their current major cowpie.

        • jade_lee32

          Is Wayne Gretzky considered still Canadian enough?

          • OriginalEmily1

            Well sure….he's part of the hockey image Harper is trying to project, so no doubt Harp will conveniently overlook the fact Gretzky doesn't live here anymore. And when he does come home, like for the Olympics, he's 'just visiting'.

  • Crit_Reasoning

    Rumour has it that the NDP will support the budget. Rumour also has it that Election 2011 will be avoided (just as things were starting to get interesting!)

    • OriginalEmily1

      Election or no election, things will remain interesting.

      • bennji1977

        I most certainly hope that there is still an election – otherwise the 26 million speant on the EAP advertising will definately be wasted.

        • OriginalEmily1

          Polling shows both parties again have the same standing they did last time around….so why spend 300M more?

          • shamus

            Actually, the Conservatives are polling the same, while the liberals are behind the NDP>it would nice to have the NDP as the opposition, the libs are not up to the job

          • OriginalEmily1

            Party support at fall 2008 levels: poll
            http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/canada/article/80…

          • Skinny Dipper

            Why have elections when they are too expensive to run? Let's just accept autocrat Harper for life. Where's Bev Oda's "NOT"?

          • OriginalEmily1

            Until Canadians make up their minds, there is no point having an election just to get the same results.

    • danby

      If the rumour is true and the NDP supports the budget, is it because Jack is acting:

      [polldaddy 4761074 http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/4761074/ polldaddy]

  • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

    Respect for democracy means upholding the law:

    http://ahabit.com

    Why is the law being ignored?

  • Mike514

    Libya seems to have gotten both two questions and one question, judging from the stats.

    Aaron, please make the correction, but please do so in a totally discrete manner without striking out the original post or adding an addendum. Merely delete the paragraph and replace it with the correct information, as if you never made the mistake. It's the sensible thing to do on any blog.

  • psiclone

    Way to go John !!!! I haven't had this much fun since Jean …. and if there is any doubt about where things are going check out the next confidence motion – liberlas are re-upping their meds as I type this no doubt

  • chet

    This wasn't a "finding" by some impartial arbiter.

    Far from it.

    The conservatives were "judged" by their mortal political enemies on the eve of an election.

    For all those in the media suggesting this is anything more than partisan gamesmanship are at best fooling themselves, and at worst engaging in deceptive propaganda to further the "correct" parties' political agenda.

    • Meh

      Wow, you sound like Paul Martin did back in 2006 when a parliamentary committee passed a similar motion.

      • SanDiegoDave

        That doesn't count.

    • SanDiegoDave

      Yeah yeah, Chet, you're a victim of the media.

      Whatever.

      Would it kill you to come up with a new angle every now and then?

      • Halo_Override

        None have yet been issued.

    • gottabesaid

      So… the Conservatives were RIGHT to withhold those estimates? Hmmm… interesting. Love to hear how you come to that conclusion, chet.

    • E_B_

      C'mon Chet, out with it. Say what it is you really want to say.

      You want a one party state so that no one can 'judge' the actions of the government.

      You guys blame the opposition, complain about the media, but never, never look in a mirror.

  • madeyoulook

    “How can Canadians remain trusting of a government guilty of such flagrant abuse of power?” repeated in French, and…
    “When is the government going to show some respect for taxpayers and a little respect for democracy?”

    Ignatieff had started so well in this job. He made the CPC look like absolute idiots when he asked real questions about government policies, actions and expenditures. The type of question for which there was a reasonable expectation of an informative answer. And the Tories looked like absolute idiots for responding to real questions with partisan insults. Now? These "questions" are no more questions worthy of answers than the partisan cheap-shot replies from the government benches are worthy of our attention.

    • madeyoulook

      “I think we’ve got a politics of division (and) I think we’ve got a politics of spite,” Ignatieff told reporters outside the museum. ”It looks pretty mean, sometimes, in the House of Commons. We’ve got to all raise our game as politicians and appeal to the best in Canadians, not their worst.”
      http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/06/14/practice-v-pre…

    • TimesArrow

      Yeah i agree. Who on earth advised Ignatieff to abandon that strategy of asking real questions? They didn't stick it out long enough and the decision to default to the usual dumb rhetorical accusations dressed up as questions, with the all to predictable passive aggressive non answer should surprise no one. I know he got a lot of flack for appearing less then manly with that original tactic, but who knows where he, and we, might be if he had just followed his instincts instead of bowing to the party poobahs? Never get it back now!

    • s_c_f

      "when he asked real questions about government policies, actions and expenditures"

      Did this ever happen? Perhaps I missed it. I don't recall reading any of these blog posts and finding that the opposition questions had any real substance to them.

      These contempt rulings are a crock and everybody knows it. When you compare to historical precedent, it's a laugh… It's just a new stick the opposition has found that's useful for poking the government.

  • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

    He's absolutely right.

    • bennji1977

      who?

      • lgarvin

        That guy!

        • Halo_Override

          It's true, I looked it up.

          • TimesArrow

            Who?

          • McC_

            where?

  • hollinm

    Even Harris-Decima cannot generate numbers which put the Libs ahead of the Conservatives. Just a reminder to my Liberal friends. The government gets to campaign as well in an election and the Libs and Ignatieff are in for a pounding. Watching Ignatieff whine in his arrogant, officious manner for 36 days will certainly encourage Canadians to give the Conservatives a majority government just to get rid of him and keep the Libs in purgatory.

    • Fred Moro

      What about the Nanos poll, does this one matter?

      "A poll conducted by Nanos Research for The Globe and Mail and CTV reveals a sharp drop in the past month in Mr. Harper’s leadership index score – a compendium measuring Canadians’ attitudes toward the trustworthiness, competence and vision of political leaders.

      That score declined from 99 in February to its current level of 83, eliminating the gains in popularity that the Conservatives had purchased through a saturation campaign of negative advertising.

      For pollster Nik Nanos, this is proof of the risk that attends fashioning an election campaign built solely around the party leader.

      “It makes it much more difficult to compartmentalize matters when there’s a controversy,” he said Sunday. Just as Mr. Harper’s leadership may be the biggest advantage the Conservatives have going into an election campaign, so too it may be their greatest weakness."

      Although still not good news for Ignatieff.

      "Unfortunately for the Liberals, Mr. Harper’s declining leadership index score is not mirrored in gains for Michael Ignatieff, whose score inched up from 37 to 40. The real winner was NDP Leader Jack Layton, whose score leapt from 44 to 51."
      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john…

    • bennji1977

      What were the polls predicting on the eve of the 2006 election?

      • Matlock

        On Nov 28 2005 when the writ was dropped Harris Decima had:

        Liberals – 36%
        CPC – 28%
        NDP – 19%

        Looks exactly like today except with the Tories and Liberals flip-flopped. Furthermore, these numbers did not shift at all during the campaign until the unexpected announcement of the RCMP investigation on Dec 27 2005. CPC campaigning during the first month of the campaign did nothing to shift the poll numbers.

        Yeah, yeah, today's polls are a GREAT predictor of what an election outcome would be. </sarcasm>

        • Fred Moro

          Jeffrey Simpson wrote a column about this subject back in late December.

          "Think for a moment, please. What do Robert Stanfield, Joe Clark, Brian Mulroney, John Turner, Jean Chrétien, Preston Manning, Stephen Harper, Stéphane Dion and Michael Ignatieff have in common?

          They’ve all been leaders of the opposition, representing the Conservative, Reform and Liberal parties. And while they were in opposition, without exception, they were less popular than the prime minister."
          http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opin…

          • bennji1977

            Matlock and Fred Moro – thanks a bunch for that.

          • TimesArrow

            So the liberals need the mounties to intervene – but not until we're into the election. Anyone know where that guy went too – Italy wasn't it?

    • Brendan Kane

      So you think Canadians will prefer the manner in which Harper whines?

  • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

    Who is the PM who preferred paper bags filled with money rather than the legitimate transfer of funds?

    • Arturolexo

      Would have to say a liberal PM.

      • ncsmith

        Was Brian Mulroney a liberal???

        • craigola

          If you're one of today's Conservatives, yes.

        • s_c_f

          No, you've got the wrong paper bags… we're talking about the paper bags being passed across the table in restaurants, from Liberal party employees to ad agency reps.

  • canon70

    Remember the good old days when Stephen Harper promised to stand up for accountability and to change the way government works.

  • Americanization

    Resent Nanos poll shows Harper most trustworthy…. LOL!.

    If that doesn’t show just how little most Canadians pay attention to their own politics then I don’t know what does! LOL!.

    Harper road in on accountability & has done the exact opposite, became the most corrupt government in CDN history, yet Canadians seemingly couldn’t care less?, unreal.

    • Fred Moro

      The Nanos poll also show that his trust numbers have dropped in a month.

      "That score declined from 99 in February to its current level of 83, eliminating the gains in popularity that the Conservatives had purchased through a saturation campaign of negative advertising. "
      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john…

    • Really?

      Really? on what basis for most corrupt? What are the stats? How can we measure?
      1. Number of dollars wasted
      2. Number of pork barrel appointments
      3. Number of news articles….

      Or perhaps a minority government needs to operate at some level below the radar in order to get things done, for better or worst…. I remember the liberal majority government would just push things through without much debate, because they had the numbers in the commons and the senate. Are we really comparing apples to apples?

      • TimesArrow

        Are you saying because he can't get a majority he has entitled to act like he has one anyway? Majority govts are on the other hand entitled to act that way. Whether they always should is another question altogether.

      • really

        yup, libs did it first so it don't matter

  • TimesArrow

    "Mr. Ignatieff had but a simple request. “When,” he begged, “is the government going to show some respect for taxpayers and a little respect for democracy?”

    Some? A little? Here was an obvious attempt at compromise."

    Oh Aaron you're such a wag.

  • Arturolexo

    Net effect = Conservtive majority.

  • Ryan

    These liberals… they'll huff, and puff, and huff, and puff, and huff, and puff, and huff, and puff…

    • Richard_S_Argent

      You are aware that they've already said they're not supporting the budget aka the next confidence vote, right? I suppose the actions of the NDP and the Bloc are also the Liberal's fault?

  • Arturolexo

    In the article: 'Mr. Ignatieff continued. “How can Canadians remain trusting of a government guilty of such flagrant abuse of power?”'
    Answer: Force an election and take a spanking, pantload!

    • Thwim

      You really don't understand how our system works do you?

      Hint: There's more than two parties.

  • TimesArrow

    Mr. Baird was not ready to negotiate. “Mr. Speaker,” he demurred, “I do not agree with the leader of the opposition at all.”

    Indeed, Mr. Baird was now apparently quite hurt. “The Liberal Party can try to attack the government with political smears,” he sighed. “It has become very good at it.”

    I hope for his sake Baird was standing next to a lightening rod when said that.

  • motor

    “Maybe he should look at the Federal Accountability Act and look at the great changes, especially, that this Prime Minister has ushered in.”
    —————————————————————-

    You mean these changes mr baird?

    Lying

    The Conservatives cut five rules from the old conflict of interest code, which has been amalgamated into the Federal Accountability Act. One of the nixed rules required the prime minister, cabinet ministers and senior government officials to “act with honesty”—meaning that politicians are now technically allowed to deceive.

    Lobbying

    No part of the act requires ministers to disclose contact with lobbyists, even though the Conservatives promised Bill C-2 would put an end to backroom lobbying.

    Secrecy

    The Conservative government promised to ensure that disclosure requirements of the Access to Information Act would not be trumped by secrecy provisions in other federal acts, but hasn’t followed through. This means it is allowed to withhold public information in the interest of national security.

    Conflict of interest

    Cabinet ministers are still allowed to be involved in policymaking decisions that affect their personal financial interests, due to the removal of five rules from the conflict of interest code, including one that that requires those in public office to avoid “real, potential or apparent conflicts of interest.”

    Whistle-blowing

    The Conservatives promised that all Canadians who report government wrongdoing would be protected from harm, but Bill C-2 disappoints again. While most—but not all—government employees are protected under the law, civilians are left no legal recourse if fired, demoted, sued or otherwise harassed by employers should they report on shady dealings with a government agency.

    • dave

      even though the Conservatives promised Bill C-2 would put an end to backroom lobbying.

      Which is funny 'cause, as we found out today, the law explicitly allows people like Carson to lobby as long as his job description sees to it he doesn't spend more than 20% of his working hours on doing so.

      So, it didn't end lobbying: it just lists the ways to make it legal and less backbreaking.

  • McD Hayes

    Where was Harper today, hiding behind J, Baird?

    • Keith in Brampton

      I think his absence may have had something to do with some little place called Libya.

      There are lots of legit reasons to take shots at Harper; this ain't one.

  • Sigh

    " “There is no member of the government who is under investigation for a criminal offence,” he continued, previewing the Conservative side’s new election slogan."

    Priceless.

    • lgarvin

      I agree, I only wonder if it will be true for the whole election campaign.

  • Orson Bean

    . . . not to mention those disguised alien lizard-people who are really controlling the planet.

    • Reverend_Blair

      Hey, no making fun of the inter-dimensional lizard people…some of them is royalty.

  • http://unseatharper.ca Joel

    If the Conservatives think that democracy is a joke then it is time to laugh them out of the office.

    • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

      ABSOLUTELY.

  • Trudeau lover

    AW is a hilarious example of the contemptable desperation, and buffoonery that continues to infest the Liberal party and their agents. Gomery got it right when he stated the Liberal party nurtures a "culture of corruption". As the Liberals, Separatists, NDP and the media continue to force an un-desired election for their own avaricious desires, we're also getting a glimpse of how ugly these extremists of the left are willing to get. Desperation and a sense of entitlement illustrated by the ongoing smears and political smash and grabs coming from the coalition and the media are great examples of how nasty and irrational the election will be. Get ready for the ugliest, nastiest, most vile, gutter politics of an election we;ve ever witnessed… right AW? The election that is about to be forced by the Liberals and their media whores will make the obscene gestures and blatant partisan abuse of committee's by the coalition party's look fair and balanced by comparison.

    • TimesArrow

      contemptable desperation – check

      Buffoonery – check

      infest – check

      culture of corruption – check

      undesired election – check

      avaricious desires – check

      ugly extremists of the left – check

      Desperation – repetition – 1/2 pt.

      entitlement – nice – check

      ongiong smears – check

      politcal smash and grabs – good, original – extra pt – check

      coalition and the media – good linkage – check

      nasty/irrational – check

      ugliest , most vile, gutter politics…excellent – check

      Media whores – repetition, but the follow up saved it – check

      obscene gestures – check

      blatant partisan abuse – check

      coalition party – repetition – sorry docked 2 this time.

      What no Mr fancy pants? I'm disappointed, you were so close to a no hitter.

      Why is the language of conbots and other extremists so ugly and boring? Could it be they have ugly minds and nothing orginal to say about anything?

      • Trudeau lover

        Wow!! Thanks for staying up all night in you're Mums basement to irrationally test score my opinion… How thoughtful of you… and weird. Why is the language of the Adscam party extremists so pretentious and irrelevant? Could it be they suffer from a supremacist nature and a snide, snivelling, haughty, condescension that renders them incapable of realizing the meaninglessness of their own judgements?

        • steven katona

          its a pentagon con-bot protecting harpervision….they got their own minstry for it now in ottawa i hear…

    • steven katona

      is this one of those 'pentagon' con-bots? does harper pay people? i think he does. i think most of these radical right wing websites are moderated. macleans is right up there with the gestapo chief. eh macleans? what's your limits to free speech? moderate my mind macleans. cbc's the worst. now i'll come prowling on your boards…spreading my ideals,beliefs…a true troll. eh harper? pay me to shut up. cya on craigslist macleans. those 'back channels' of canadian society. here's the deal macleans….you let me speak otherwise i go ballistic on craigslist. its up to you…corpporate media these days are so predictable. eh 'macleans'? you're all so 'educated'. why you supporting this albertan? you better rally up and start reporting otherwise the polity polices you all on craigslist. buh bye!!!

  • Rolf_Auer

    "A Quick One re Tory Scandals" (very brief article)
    "The Tories and Canada are Incompatible" (longish article)
    http://www.clearpolitics.wordpress.com

    (Click "About" re reading posts, or on my picture.)
    @Rolf_Auer

  • SidZehd

    the Cons love to mention the "Federal Accountability Act" they passed to show their commitment to "ethics"

    never a mention of its effectiveness, how it's reduced wait times for information, how it's provided greater transparency, how it's provided greater accountability

    this from a party that plaster's the nation with signs every time Stephen Harper ties his shoes…

    there's an act alright… it's all an act

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