Iggy's coalition problem

by Andrew Coyne on Friday, March 25, 2011 9:49am - 373 Comments

The day-after-the-budget press conference was going rather well for Michael Ignatieff, until the predictable, inevitable question arose: If the Tories failed to win a majority in the coming election, would he form a coalition with the other parties to unseat them and form a government? In other words, is the Tory accusation, repeated at every opportunity, true?

“There’s a blue door and a red door in this election,” he said. Voters can take the blue door (the Conservatives) or the red door (the Liberals), ie they can elect a Conservative government or a Liberal government.

With respect sir, the questioner shouted back, you haven’t answered my question.

Ignatieff began again. “There’s a blue door and a red door…”

The pack took up the howl. “Answer the question!” “You haven’t answered the question!” At which Ignatieff — well, the only word is fled.

It was an astonishing debacle. He must have known the question was coming. For goodness sake, it’s the centrepiece of the Tory campaign. Has been for months. And this was the best answer he could come up with? Red door, blue door? Did he really think that obvious non-answer would be enough? Even the Toronto Star reporter was unimpressed.

The coalition issue is real. It is not some fiction created by the Tory war room. It is a cancer eating at the Liberal campaign, and it is only going to grow over time. That’s why Ignatieff doesn’t want to answer the question. But he has to. Because his refusal to answer will not be taken as ambiguity, but as, effectively, a yes: he won’t rule it out, because he wants to retain it as an option.

That’s praiseworthy, in a way: it beats Stéphane Dion, who did rule out forming a coalition with the NDP before the 2008 election, only to embrace it at the first opportunity. In that sense, Ignatieff is being at least half-way honourable. But it’s not as good as ruling it out, flatly and forever. Or, for that matter, ruling it in. The one thing he can’t do is just leave the question hanging. Because then he just looks devious.

Well, why shouldn’t he just say: Yes, if the situation arises, I may well join with the other parties to form a coalition government. There’s nothing wrong with that, is there? Many Liberals have openly advocated such an arrangement. Many commentators think it inevitable, even laudable. After all, it’s working pretty well in Britain, isn’t it?

All of which is true, up to a point. But only up to a point: worse, it’s beside the point. There’s nothing wrong with coalitions in principle. But not every coalition is the same. What made the coalition of 2008 so dubious were the particulars of the situation: the weakness of the Liberals, the absence of a credible leader, the potential for blackmail given the Liberals’ palpable fear of another election, and most of all, the involvement of the Bloc.

Perhaps those conditions would be absent in some future coalition. Who can say? But Ignatieff has another problem: the prospect of a coalition, even one that excludes the Bloc, is toxic to his chances. The point is not that coalitions are some awful, monstrous thing. It’s simply a question of strategic positioning. A coalition with the NDP sends two messages to two groups of voters Ignatieff needs. To centre-right voters, wavering between the Conservatives and the Liberals, it says: the alternative to a Tory majority is not a safe, centre-right Liberal government, but a cabinet with Jack Layton and Libby Davies in it. And to voters on the Liberals’ left, wavering between the Liberals and the NDP, it says: you can safely ignore the traditional Liberal fear campaign, namely that a vote for the Grits is the only way to keep the Tories out. A Liberal-NDP coalition can do the same.

That’s why the Tories have been hammering the point home, and that’s why the NDP are only too happy to discuss the issue. Not only does it eat away at Liberal support on both the left and the right, but the mere discussion makes the NDP look more credible, like a party of government rather than a perpetual protest party. That’s why Ignatieff doesn’t want to talk about it. But by failing to rule out a coalition he does just as much damage to his cause as if he ruled it in, without even winning points for honesty.

So he needs a better answer, fast. And the best answer is: no coalition, no way, nohow, not ever. There’s no need, for starters. Minority government is quite common in Canadian experience; coalitions, extremely rare. He could govern, as Stephen Harper has, as a stand-alone minority, gathering support where he might find it, one bill at a time. Or he could strike an electoral pact, as the Ontario Liberals and NDP did in the 1980s: a “supply and confidence” agreement wherein the smaller party agrees not to bring down the government in exchange for certain concessions on policy.

Ignatieff might spell out certain conditions, therefore, on his participation in a minority government:

One, that the party with the most seats after the election, whether Conservative or Liberal, should be given first crack at forming a government — which is the existing convention.

Two, that should he be called upon to form a government, he would under no circumstances invite New Democrats into his cabinet.

And three, that he would enter into no formal arrangement of any kind with the Bloc — though of course he would not reject their support for any particular piece of legislation.

He might also promise only to form a government if he could do so without the support of the Bloc, that is if the Liberals and New Democrats had a majority between them. The problem is that, arithmetically, this would require the NDP have more seats than the Bloc, which is unlikely. (If Libs + NDP > Cons + Bloc, and if Libs < Cons, then NDP > Bloc: QED). He might therefore promise instead to form a government only if the Liberals had at least 90 per cent as many seats as the Tories.

Anyway, that’s one answer. Or, as I say, there’s also: yes I’d form a coalition: here’s why. The one answer he can’t give is “red door, blue door.”

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  • http://halooverride.blogspot.com/ Halo_Override

    It doesn't have to be the same, it just needs to sound sort of the same. Remember, this is the Canadian voting public we're dealing with here.

    • Dennis

      A coalition government isn't going to happen because Harper will win with a clear majority. And Gilles Duceppe will be crying in his poutine because the Tories will get that majority without need of a single seat in Quebec. How do I know this? I talked to Charlie Sheen.

      • Orson Bean

        Thank you for that violent Torpedo of Truth.

        • Ken Meek

          On the CBC Action Panel you and the others have commented on people not trusting Stephen Harper but not one of you has raised the obvious question or challenged Ignatief to deny or explain his statements that "the only thing he likes about Canada is Algonquin Park" and "Canada's Peace Keeping reputation is totally bogus", also that "our flag represents a limp beer label". Would anyone in Canada want a Prime Minister who feels that way about Canada or trust him??? I can't believe you let him make statements like that unchallenged.

          • whatup

            Harper is a lying hypocrite.

            The only party leader not to have signed a coalition agreement in this election is Michael Ignatief. Harper once again is treating Canadians like we are idiots, that we can't read or something. That letter from 2004 is a coalition proposal – no matter what Harper and Coyne say. He wanted to form a government with the Bloc and NDP. That is a coalition government, by definition.

            Lets stick to the facts without the con spin, the only party leader not to have signed a coalition agreement in this election is Michael Ignatief. Harper is and was the first to the coalition party and I hope he keeps harping about it. It just makes him look more idiotic every day.

            Harper is a lying hypocrite.

        • anonymous

          just to be fair and balanced, if we call Mr. Ignatieff, Iggy we should call Mr. Harper Harpy

  • Man-O-Man

    No party in their right mind would campaign on the fact that they will form a coalition with an opponent after an election whose outcome is unknown. It's a ridiculous assumption. Every national party wants to win a majority and that's how they will campaign. When the results are known and there is no clear winner, then other options present themselves. Then, and only then, can the idea of a coalition ever be taken seriously. The coalition scare tactic, which Andrew Coyne apparently endorses, is desiogned fior exactly that – to create fear where none exixts in order to trick people into voting a certain way.

    Also – it is entirely fair to challenge Harper on his letter to the GG in 2002 (I think) advocatring for the exact coalition he is so highly critical of now. Harper must expain his hipocracy on this. Why isn't Andrew Coyne demanding this of Harper? It is totally relevant to this debate.

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      Just saw Ignatieff being bombarded with this question and pointing out to journalists, correctly, that they are buying into Conservative spin, just like Geddes bought their spin about the virginity of Carson. Ignatieff is absolutely correct. The fact is, as pointed by Mr. Ignatieff, that a coalition is possible in our parliamentary system, as the GG recently stated.

      Of course the prime minister being who he is would not take any questions from the journalists.

      If ever he does take unscripted questions from journalists, if there is a professional one in the bunch, they will ask the prime minister if he would ever seek a coalition arrangement. It is more relevant for Canadians to know the intentions of the incumbent who gets a first crack at this should no party win a majority of the seats.

    • Claudia Lemire

      Ok man o man, here we go again, letter to GG 2004, here it is
      http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingn…

      As you can see is just to make the GG aware of other options, if the government should dissolve, there is no words of coalition or any plans in particular , but we know what it means and yes the bloc was part of it, they didn't have enough sits without them but the 2008 is different because they actually formed a government, like a shadow government you can read the document here and it is quite different
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/01/co…

      • Thwim

        Because as we all know, the GG was absolutely clueless as to the options present in her position.

        Be reasonable. The reason for that letter was not to inform the GG of the patently obvious fact that she had "other options" but rather to inform her that he, the Bloc, and the NDP were prepared to enter into a coalition agreement as to who the house had confidence in if she was to ask.

        The only other interpretation is that Harper was essentially calling the Queen's representative a useless tit who was unaware of how her job was supposed to be done.

        Take your pick.

        • Claudia Lemire

          Of course 2004 had a coalition in mind the difference is that it never went as far as the one in 2008, they never did plan a formal coalition, they talked about it, thought about it kept the door open, but didn't formed it, and than it's a huge difference!

          • Thwim

            So you're suggesting a coalition has been governing us for the past two years? Really?

            Tell me, who are the coalition members in Ignatieff's cabinet? I seem to have missed the news. Oh wait.. there aren't any.. I wonder why that is?

            That difference is looking pretty damned small. Even smaller when you think that at least Ignatieff has come out now and said he's not interested in being in one. Can we find anywhere where Harper has said the same? Lots of places where he's said it's bad, illegitimate, etc, but nowhere where he's said he won't participate..

            ..and given his participation in in-and-out and attempting to bribe an MP.. I'm not terribly surprised.

        • KRB

          Don't be thick Thwim! The 2004 document was to be used as a shield, against a snap election call from PM Martin in case his polling numbers shot up. It was also used to force some changes to the rules of the House (the Standing Orders, and committee structure, etc.).

          I point you to Harper's first speech in the 38th Parliament, on the Throne Speech:
          http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publicat…

          Please read that, and then tell me that he wanted to replace the Martin gov't and overturn the election results!!!

          (cont'd) …

        • KRB

          Some quotes -

          "There should be no doubt in anybody's mind that our ultimate objective is to replace this government and give Canadians a government they can finally trust and be proud of. At the same time, I will reassure the Prime Minister, all members of the House and Canadians and pledge that my party and I, as the official opposition, will always seek in the meantime to respect the results of the election, to uphold the honour and sovereignty of our country, to defend the interests and the ideals of its people, and to respect the rules and traditions of this special place."

          "I want to thank both the leader of the Bloc Québécois and the leader of the New Democratic Party for working with us on a series of changes to our Standing Orders, which we believe will make the House more effective and more democratic. These were not advanced to favour our partisan interests or to stymie the government but to make this minority Parliament work. I have said that if I were Prime Minister, I would sustain and live by these rules."

          etc. …

    • EeeOar

      Ummm, perhaps I'm missing something…

      Here is my basis:
      - in the preceding 2000 election the results were CON=78, LPC=172, BQ=38, NDP=13 (Liberal Majority)
      - after the June 2004 election the results were CON=99, LPC=135, BQ=54, NDP=19 (Liberal Minority)
      - the letter is dated Sep 9, 2004

      So certainly Harper didn't lose the 2004 election on the basis of the 2004 letter. And I truly don't recall whether the Conservatives campaigned about coalitions (either for or against) – I'd guess that the topic never came up in any substantive way.

      Rather, a few months after the Liberals got elected to minority government status, the Conservatives et al are advising the GG to consider all of her options should the government fall, which is perfectly fine – of course the GG should consider all constitutionally available options and then select the one that is most appropriate for the specifics of the situation.

  • http://halooverride.blogspot.com/ Halo_Override

    I wish I wasn't compelled to agree, but I am.

  • alfanerd

    you're quite right that its childish and that i should stop. i note however that you never call out the bad behaviour from your side of the political spectrum (im shocked).

    • TimesArrow

      Fair enough…i'm not perfect either

      • Reverend_Blair

        I'm perfect, but not in a good way. I'd suggest that you all get tractors…a short period of scraping at the ice or chasing the cat on a little garden tractor can save us all a little trouble. Also, should you choose, you can get a tractor that matches your political preferences. Mine doesn't, but yours can.

        • Chris

          This just in from the Green Party: Free fuel-cell tractors for everybody!

          • Reverend_Blair

            I don't know if John Deere is planning a Fuel Cell tractor, but I have heard that they (and others) are designing electric models.

            Volvo has really cool concept loader in the works though…kind of huge for garden work, but cool.

          • Chris

            Neat. I have a tonne of snow to get rid of.

  • Blue Door

    Count Ignatief says to choose the BLUE DOOR or RED DOOR. Well folks we know whats behind the BLUE DOOR, what we don't know is what is behind the RED DOOR, is this the liberal hidden agenda i.e., a 3 party coalition containing liberal, NDP
    and controlled by the BLOC? Come clean Michael WHAT IS YOUR HIDDEN AGENDA!

    • Reverend_Blair

      And what's Behind the Green Door, Blue Door?

    • TimesArrow

      Get back to work Baird.

  • Claudia Lemire

    Thanks for the defence but as Trudeau said when he heard that Nixon had called him an a**hole
    ,
    "I've been called worse things by better people" ; )

    • Crit_Reasoning

      LOL. Good answer, Claudia! Just ignore Mike T… he's blinded by his own vitriol.

      • Claudia Lemire

        I know I usually do : )

  • madeyoulook

    It is up to the GG. If Harper goes Saturday to dissolve Parliament the GG DOES NOT have to drop the writ for an election immediately.

    But I bet he (the GG) will (dissolve and call an election). The legitimacy of calling on other parties to attempt to seek House confidence diminishes with every month elapsed since the previous election. I figure the legitimacy of such a move is somewhere right about nil, now.

    • Keith in Brampton

      Even if offered, Iggy would be a fool to take it. It would make everything Harper ever said about him look legit, and once the coalition collapses he'd be toast.

  • katie smith

    If there was any doubt that the Liberals weren’t prepared for this election, or at least this question, it was removed by the histrionic answers I heard today from Ignatieff and Goodale. Boys, when your voice rises up into the stratosphere and you end up essentially shouting, you send a message: “We’re defensive about the coalition”, and ever more obviously so.

    What’s more, they continue, in my view, to give the worst possible response to it – “no coalition, cause we;re gonna win”. Well, no you are not (highly unlikely at least) and you know, you should really give some thought to how your responses tend to continually reinforce those accusations of Liberal entitlement.

    So I agree with Mr. Coyne. They have to answer the question and it has to be better than “red door, blue door”. What would a good answer be? Hmm. Be practical. Given the history of Parliament, it is quite possible that there will be a minority government after this election. Canadians are, understandably, frustrated with the disfunction that has marred the Conservative minority government for the past five years. People want government to work. And they elect the people they want to work for them. (So, John Baird, stop calling them losers). It is our job to take the situation the electoral gives us and find a solution for it. And if that means having a governing group made up of various parties, then so be it. Anything is better than the “let’s keep threatening elections until one of us thinks we can get a majority” that has gone on too long. So coalition? As possible as a minority government is. Terms? Whatever works.

    Methinks the Liberals are wrong to pound the “vote for me not the NDP because only we can stop the Conservatives” drum. First of all it is not true, because a vote for the NDP is just as likely to cause a Conservative minority as a Liberal vote is. Furthermore, I’m sorry guys, but you have to give me a better reason than – booga booga Harper – before I’d ever vote Liberal again.

  • Mr Irrelevant

    Or he could answer the question honestly one way or another and defend his answer.

    • http://twitter.com/Sire_Joe @Sire_Joe

      How is that not answering the question? Its as legitimate as any other answer. I don't see this being posed to any other party leader, so unless the others MUST answer the question, I don't see why Ignatieff has to be any different than Harper.

      • derek

        How would Harper, Duceppe and Layton respond to the same question? I think we all know the answers.

      • Mr Irrelevant

        What's evasive is being asked a yes or no question and answering with "Hey, look at that over there!" When you dodge a question it implies you believe there is something wrong with the truth.

    • Reverend_Blair

      How can he give an honest answer without knowing the situation? How can he give an honest answer when no matter what he says the Conservatives will spin it dishonestly and throw it back in his face?

      • lgarvin

        This is the wrong answer, respectfully. The Cons are going to twist and distort and misrepresent no matter what he says… But the Canadian people are just starting to tune in and Ignatieff – as far back as he is – can not afford to be dicking around with evasions and half-truths. He's got one chance to make a difference in the public's perception and that chance comes right now. He can't win this thing in the next week, but he can damn sure lose it. If Iggy's campaign team can't sharpen up by Monday, this thing is gonna be a cakewalk for Harper.

        • Reverend_Blair

          this strikes me as the proper way to proceed: http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/96192…

          No reason why they couldn't be done by time election day rolls around either…we have parliamentary procedure and precedent from all over the planet to draw from.

          It would require the various parties and the more hysterical factions of the press to shut the hell up and concentrate on issues instead of process. Let the experts figure out what the process is, and live by what they come up with.

          It would most likely look something like: Most seats gets first shot, tie goes to the incumbent, and they can form a coalition should they so choose; if that government falls within time-frame X, then the opposition parties get a shot at forming a coalition. No arguments, no second class (as the Conservatives are trying to make the Bloc) MPs.

          • derek

            Do you actually believe that if the Conservatives get second best they would attempt to form a coalition?

  • Thomas Brent

    Andrew:

    Why does Harpy (if you insist on Iggy, then be fair) not have to state whether he would form a coalition if he found himself in a minority? He first raised this in 2004. Why the double standard?

    • derek

      If it was asked of Harper, what do you think his answer would be?

      "I would respect the will of the electorate".

      Now back to Ignatief.

      Harper will get his tough questions on things he doesn't have a good answer for. If he is smart and well prepared he won't flub it like Ignatief did today.

    • Mr Irrelevant

      Would it satisfy everyone if someone asks the PM tomorrow, and he says "No"?

    • KRB

      I think the PM was clear when he said alongside UK PM Cameron that the party with the largest seats forming a coalition is a situation that makes sense.

      Seeing as the Conservatives have to win the most seats for there to be a Conservative government, that's all he has to say.

      He could add that the likeliest coalition partner for the Conservatives would be the Liberals, seeing as they've supported them the most in the past two parliaments. But then maybe say that at present "the Liberals it looks like want the office and limo's over and above seeing many of the policies they agree with enacted".

  • TimesArrow

    One might almost conclude [ if one was cynical] that the no option was purposefully contrived to free up SH as much as possible should he be returned to office with a minority, and head off any future possibility of a coup against king Steve. Some might call that smart politics when you don't have any natural allies in the house; others might call it a deliberate distortion of our parliamentary system.

    • Reverend_Blair

      I don't know that it was premeditated, but that is what it's become.

  • Knoxy

    While I do have issue with any party that formalizes a coalition with the Separatistes, the Liberals have cornered themselves into not answering the question… not because they fear it, but that they fear the follow up, which would go something along the lines of…

    "Does that mean you don't expect to win an outright majority… or a worse… plurality?"

    As much as I get the sense that Donolo has seen "The Matrix" far too many times with this Blue Door, Red Door business, there's nothing worse than telling your campaign workers and voters that you don't have a hope THE DAY BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN BEGINS… Just ask John Gerard and the Liberal Party of Manitoba about that trick…

  • TimesArrow

    All of which is true, up to a point. But only up to a point: worse, it’s beside the point. There’s nothing wrong with coalitions in principle. But not every coalition is the same. What made the coalition of 2008 so dubious were the particulars of the situation: the weakness of the Liberals, the absence of a credible leader, the potential for blackmail given the Liberals’ palpable fear of another election, and most of all, the involvement of the Bloc.

    Isn't it a pity our PM didn't make all of those arguements in 08, and in that context. Instead he opted to scream traitors and socialists to save his skin, like a 7 year old boy thats had his toys taken away. That's not the worst of it – he may have rendered part of our parliamentary structure invalid.
    I may sound a little bitter on this but didn't the media drop the ball on this at the time? I'm not so sure you weren't part of the problem yourself Andrew?

    • madeyoulook

      That's not the worst of it – he may have rendered part of our parliamentary structure invalid.

      Remember, Harper keeps campaigning AGAINST the coalition. There could be no higher compliment to its legal legitimacy than to repeatedly invoke it as a real possibility.

      • TimesArrow

        I forgot that you made that point before – it's a good one.

        • madeyoulook

          Thanks. Feel free to return to it as needed for comfort. No charge!

          :)

          • Claudia Lemire

            Oh I do, when insanity starts on this threads I really get comfort from your telling like it is statements : )

        • Jack is a Snake

          There is a growing theory that the extortionist Duceppe, who would sell to Harper for 5 Billion, has sold to Layton for that price and a bit more. The theory gains credibility when Layton was given 50% of his budget requests, but rejected them claiming it wasn't good enough-can he do better as a major architect of the coalition?

  • Reverend_Blair

    He can go to the GG and ask for an election.

  • madeyoulook

    Why doesn't Ignatieff just reply with "I am as likely to form a coalition with any other party as Mr. Harper is."

    Because it's just not credible. They are not at all "just as likely." You want likelihoods? Try this. The probablity of:

    CPC Solo Majority roughly = to CPC Solo Minority > LPC Coalition Majority > LPC Coalition Minority.

  • madeyoulook

    I guess you need to look up the definition of the word LIKELY.

    Harper will not need to form a coalition, whereas it would be Ignatieff's only (outside chance) hope. There will not be a coalition involving the CPC. If there is a coalition, it will involve the LPC. So, "I am as likely etc." is not a credible statement.

    • Reverend_Blair

      That's goofy for a couple of reasons though.

      First of all we're at the beginning of an election…the writ hasn't even dropped yet…and your (or anybody else's) claims that you know how it will turn out are as much partisan spin and wishful thinking as anything else.

      Second of all…and this where Harper and his people really fall down…is that our system depends a lot on precedent instead of hard and fast rules. The precedent they are setting here is dismally myopic and just downright stupid because they are essentially creating two classes of MP and attempting to delegitimize bi-partisan cooperation. It turns governing into a hockey game instead of a careful consideration of policy.

    • http://twitter.com/Sire_Joe @Sire_Joe

      Except it is. Just because polls say one thing now, does not mean that in 6 weeks they will be the same. I am not saying the Liberals are going to get a majority, but to make such ridiculous claims now, just because you think that thats how its going to stay and that one rule applies to one party and not the other is foolish.

      The reply I stated is true. Are you stating the opposite? Bearing in mind that the cons have done the exact same thing in the past.

      • madeyoulook

        Are you actually repeatedly making the claim that a CPC-led coalition government is as EQUALLY likely as a LPC-led coalition government? Really?
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_probability

        • http://twitter.com/Sire_Joe @Sire_Joe

          I'm saying that in a situation where an official opposition needs to look to other parties to form a coalition government the Libs are as likely as the Cons to do so. I think its pretty simple.

          Feel free to use as much semantics as you like though.

          • madeyoulook

            Well, now you are making up a new sentence entirely. Plus, you also stated that you expect an nonsensically wild swing in public opinion during the campaign as justification for your first nonsensical sentence.

            So you have improved slightly with your latest attempt (and don't worry, we can just gloss over the it's-just-semantics defense fail…). But you're still wrong. The CPC does not have natural allies in the House like the LPC does. No way does any other party (except, curiously, the LPC!) come close to forming a healthy political alliance with Harper in the House.

          • http://twitter.com/Sire_Joe @Sire_Joe

            Uh huh. Sounds like more spin to me. My statement has not changed. And there is no justification, but you certainly sound like you are attempting to justify your claim of a LPC led coalition with the 'natural allies' claim.

            Spin away.

  • Vancouverois

    Is the video of the Ignatieff scrum available online anywhere? I've been looking, but it seems to be conspicuously absent from the CBC site so far. I'd like to see it for myself.

    • madeyoulook

      If the scrum was in the foyer, and I will asume it was, try out CPAC's web site, or keep the cable channel on for as many hours as you can stand.

      • Vancouverois

        I've found yesterday's scrums on CPAC, but nothing from today yet. Thanks for the suggestion – I'll check it again tomorrow!

      • Keith in Brampton

        I don't recall Harper making it a campaign platform plank in 2004. Was he campaigning on it? If not, then EeeOar's suggestion keeps the voters far better informed than Harper did under the same conditions.

      • Canada-First

        Previous jobs of the 4-Federal political leaders:
        1. Joke Layton was a car salesman. Hmmmmm.
        2. Iggy taught school. Knows how to expel a lot of hot air.
        3. Gilles DupesUs – no one cares about him outside of Quebec.
        4. STEPHEN HARPER is a qualified economist, an expert in the field of economics!
        GIVE HARPER A MAJORITY; HE IS THE ONLY ONE QUALIFIED TO LEAD CANADA & THE ONLY ONE EXPERIENCED AS A PRIME MINISTER!!

        • Keith in Brampton

          You start out by saying "previous jobs", but Harper, while holding a master's in economics, has never been employed as an economist as far as I can tell. And given he was denying we were in a recession long after everyone else said otherwise, there's probably a reason for that.

          As for him being the only one with experience as PM – no one has experience as a PM before becoming PM. That was true of Harper in 2005. Are you saying we were wrong to elect him then? (I would – but not for that reason)

        • Lukeflick

          Out of the $136.3 million Harper’s government spend advertising the Economic Action Plan; there wasn’t one ad that said: Canadians we are lucky we the Conservatives took the advice of the coalition parties to provide stimulus spending during the world wide economic crisis. At first we the Conservatives didn’t see the economic crisis coming and when we realized it was upon us; Mr. Harper’s advice to Canadians was; those who could afford to get into the stock market.

          We Conservatives didn’t care if companies would go bankrupt during the economic crisis; we didn’t care if people lost their jobs. Thankfully the coalition parties convinced us to provide stimulus spending and out of the stimulus spending; our Economic Action Plan was set into motion.

  • West Newf

    Eat this Libbies!

    The Harper Conservatives are at the threshold of a majority government as the country plunges into the fourth election campaign in seven years, according to an exclusive Toronto Star/La Presse poll.

    The Angus Reid poll shows that the majority will most likely be won or lost in Ontario with a particularly pitched battle in the 905 belt around Toronto, where the Conservative have worked overtime on the reeling in the ethnic vote.

    The survey of 2,365 Canadians reveals the Conservatives are in the lead nationally with 39 per cent support, the Liberals at 25 per cent, and the New Democrats at 19 per cent. The Bloc Québécois has 10 per cent support and the Green Party 7 per cent.

    Published moments ago in the Red Star. 2nd majority poll prediction in as many days.

  • Guest

    Ignatieff video after the fall of Harper minority government http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Politics/124450489…
    just place the slider at 03:50

    • Vancouverois

      Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for.

  • KRB

    I don't know if a leader could put forward that "if we're within 90% of them" argument, just b/c it looks like you're a loser party making up your own rules.

    90% of the 2008 scores would've been 129 seats for the LPC, or 52 more. That's quite a lot for them to get! Of course, if they get a seat it will likely mean that the CPC seat number will go down.

    When the Ontario Liberals ousted the PC's in 1985, they were only 4 seats behind, and had actually won the popular vote in that election.
    (cont'd …)

    • KRB

      (cont'd)

      In the 1972 election, on election night, it looked at though the PC's would win the most seats (109 to 107), but in the final count overnnight those results were reversed. But if the PC's under Stanfield had come out ahead, would Trudeau have resigned? I doubt it, seeing as he won 3% more of the vote, and the NDP was there with the seats needed to make a majority. The NDP had the balance of power, and could've backed either Trudeau or Stanfield.

      If they backed Stanfield, it's possible they might've killed off Trudeau's political career. More likely though, is that such a move would've increased popular support for Trudeau and the Liberals, and that the NDP couldn't work with the PC's for much longer than a couple of years. I'm sure the fact that the PC's and NDP only secured 2 seats total in Quebec also played a big factor.

  • Keith in Brampton

    Nicely put!

  • FVerhoeven

    CANADA'S PROBLEM:

    This is true:

    A separatist/provincial party – the BQ – runs within federal elections, thereby makes it less likely for any of the truly federalist parties to gain a majority, and because minorities are more likely, the BQ has thereby secured itself a position to form the balance of power.

    In short: a separatist/provincial party is being paid by Canadian tax dollars, to secure a minority government more often than not, and by doing so , the same separatist/provincial party will have greater influence over our Canadian parliament.

    I have never ever seen such underhanded form of democracy at work. Not in any country. Not within any democratic mindset either.

    But if Mr.Coyne believes he sees it differently, then I would urge him to write a lenghty address about this Canadian problem so that we may finally come to the root of all things being equal.

    • Keith in Brampton

      How often – and on how many different threads – do you plan to post this drivel?

      You can't forbid the BQ to run – or, if elected, to sit in the house – and still maintain Canada is an open, democratic society. To do so would be censorship of the worst kind – and a breach of the Charter.

      No one says you have to like them – God knows I don't – but that's the price of a democracy.

  • Bugzy

    The coalition issue is real. It is not some fiction created by the Tory war room. It is a cancer eating at the Liberal campaign, and it is only going to grow over time. That’s why Ignatieff doesn’t want to answer the question.

    Excuse me Andrew, how many times does he have to answer that question. show us by link where he did say he would form a coalition? NOTthere right?

  • Bugzy

    While your at it Andrew, why is Harper not answering question and walking away? Because his big mouth proves himself the liar he is ? I can also form my opinion such as yourself. You of all people should know better.
    A CPC fake for a coaltion party of Reformers, Alliance, and Peter mckay. Now that's what I call a coalition Fake party. You know Andrew most of us know how to goggle for staements made by Harper and words he stated are there for all to read.

  • Bugzy

    was reading that thread and thinking at least Harper can give a straight answer, Iggy talks out of both sides of his mouth at same time

    Thats a laugh, Harper does not answer questions asked by the reporters unless the questions have been formed by the king himself and he has had the time to practice before his mirror how he will answer..Harper is a joke and so are his trolls and supporters

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