Harper's hypocrisy problem

by Andrew Coyne on Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:37pm - 413 Comments

As Jerry Springer might put it, what have we learned after day one of the campaign?

This morning’s statement from Michael Ignatieff on the coalition question was, for the most part, admirably clear:

Whoever leads the party that wins the most seats on election day should be called on to form the government.

If that is the Liberal Party, then I will be required to rapidly seek the confidence of the newly-elected Parliament. If our government cannot win the support of the House, then Mr. Harper will be called on to form a government and face the same challenge…

If, as Leader of the Liberal Party, I am given the privilege of forming the government, these are the rules that will guide me:

… We will not enter a coalition with other federalist parties. In our system, coalitions are a legitimate constitutional option. However, I believe that issue-by-issue collaboration with other parties is the best way for minority Parliaments to function.

We categorically rule out a coalition or formal arrangement with the Bloc Quebecois…

That certainly sounded like he was ruling out a coalition altogether. Indeed, the conditions were similar to those suggested in my previous post.

There seemed nevertheless to be a possible loophole: the statement explicitly mentioned only what would happen if the Liberals were to win the most seats. But the whole coalition issue has centred on what would happen if the Tories won a minority, but were then defeated on a confidence motion in the House. Did the no-coalition pledge apply in that case? Was the Grit statement a carefully worded dodge, leaving room for the party to claim later that it had never ruled out a coalition in the latter event?

I called the Liberals to inquire. Their MP, David McGuinty, called me back. He was careful to make sure he understood my question, and I was careful to make sure I had heard his answer correctly. And it was unequivocal: the same rules would apply in either case. No coalition, no formal arrangement with the Bloc.

I consider the issue settled. It has taken far too long to get Ignatieff to this point — he should have ruled out a coalition long ago — and there can be little doubt the reason for his silence until today: he was trying to keep his options open. But now he has been forced to choose. Unless he is just flat out lying — the biggest lie that ever was: formally, publicly and in black and white, on a matter of the highest importance and the hottest controversy — there will be no Liberal-led coalition. The Tories are certainly entitled to point out that the Liberals in general, and Ignatieff in particular, said there would be no coalition before the last election, too. But while the Grits might claim, weakly, that those earlier statements were honestly intended at the time, that circumstances arose they could not have anticipated, they can make no such defense of breaking such a blood oath as Ignatieff has just issued. This one is — must be — ironclad.

Now: none of this means that Ignatieff has promised not to topple a Conservative minority government, should one be returned, or replace it with one led by him. He has ruled out a coalition; he has not ruled out a minority government of some other kind. Nor should he. There is absolutely nothing “illegitimate” about one government being replaced by another in this way, that is by the vote of Parliament rather than the votes of the people, and the Tory leader was wrong to have claimed there is. For that matter,  there’s nothing illegitimate about coalition governments, either — though the involvement of the Bloc would be an exception to that rule. On this Stephen Harper was right: you can seek to break up the country, or you can govern the country, but you can’t do both.

The only issue with regard to the possibility of a Liberal-NDP coalition was a political one: would voters, especially right-of-centre voters, care to see a government with NDP cabinet ministers? His pledge today should assuage that concern. Voters must still weigh whether they are comfortable with a Liberal government propped up by the NDP, perhaps via some sort of electoral pact, a la the Peterson-Rae accord in Ontario in 1985 — for the Governor General would want some assurance, in the event the Tories were brought down, that whatever replaced it would be likely to last. And whatever was cobbled together between them would probably still be short of a majority, meaning it would have to seek the support of either the Bloc or the Tories to pass legislation. The Tories are perfectly entitled to point all this out. But that is a very different thing than a coalition. People who consider this a matter of potato-potahto do not know their constitution. It is the difference between the legislative and executive, between MPs and cabinet ministers.

But what of the Conservatives? Weren’t they proposing a coalition themselves, via that notorious 2004 letter to the Governor General? No. While it’s abundantly clear that Harper was ready to replace Paul Martin as prime minister under exactly the circumstances he now denounces — making him not just wrong but hypocritical — it is equally clear he was not proposing to form a coalition. The letter makes no mention of it. All three leaders denied it at the time. And all three have continued to deny it to this day: asked about it at his morning press conference, Duceppe protested he did not want “to invent things.” (Duceppe later tweeted that Harper “talked about” a coalition in their meeting, but has not clarified what this means. Did he propose one? Then why was no such coalition proposed in the letter?) Harper’s readiness to form a government, with the support of the other two parties, in 2004 does not mean he was plotting a coalition, for the same reason that Ignatieff can promise one without the other now: cooperation is not the same as coalition.

Still, it’s worth pursuing Harper on this point. What would he do if his party was returned with a minority, or if the Liberals were? I presume he, too, would rule out a coalition, and I’m prepared to take him at his word on that point. But if he now believes it is “illegitimate” for one government to replace another without going back to the people, is he then formally swearing that he would never again make the kind of agreement with the other parties, whatever it was, he was so evidently prepared to make in 2004?

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  • brooster2

    So now, it seems, the option of forming coalitions of any kind in Canadian federal politics is radioactive. That's a shame, IMO, since they can offer the best promise for stable government in multi-party democracies. Now, we have both major parties swearing they'll try to form minority governments based on constant issue-by-issue negotiation. Not a bad dynamic if we like the idea of collaboration, but hardly a recipe for "stable" government.

    How did the idea of government by coalition become so toxic in Canada when it has worked effectively and repeatedly in other countries?

    • Keith in Brampton

      Simple: CPC attack ads and a politically unsophisticated populace.

      • John_Edgar

        In reply to both Keith and brooster: Is there any evidence that coalitions are considered toxic? I think the 2008 coalition was toxic to many people for a number of good reasons. I also think the Liberals want to avoid a coalition now because it wouldn't serve their own political interests. I also respect the fact that Ignatieff was very clear that coalitions are perfectly legitimate, but that the Liberals are not intending to form one.

        I also don't think its necessary to blame the general public for being stupid (or politically unsophisticated if you prefer).

        • Keith in Brampton

          A significant portion of the populace have clearly been taken in by Harper's assertion that the attempted coalition in 2008 was some sort of coup d'etat; ilegal and traitorous. That he keeps hammering away at it – and that Ignatieff has had to disavow any possibility of a coalition – is proof that (a) a good portion of Canadians don't understand our political system and (b) even the hint of a possible coalition is political poison.

        • KRB

          No coalitions is probably preferred by the Liberals, as it means that they don't have to share cabinet seats with the NDP (a lot of Liberal MP's think they're due a ministerial limo). Of course, the NDP would have a say in this as well, they don't just have to accept that they wouldn't be afforded seats.

      • KRB

        Maybe the collective wisdom against that coalition proposal was bang-on, but the collective ability to express its faults was not.

    • gord Tulk

      Coalitons aren't bad per se, it's the possibility of a coalition that would lead the country in a direction much firther to the left politically than it wants to go.

      • Jan

        Gotta a problem with Israel's?

        • KRB

          Both "big" parties in Israel received around 25% of the seats. So of course, barring a Grand Coalition between them, they would have to cobble together a bunch of the other smaller parties to form a governing majority. There's a big difference when one party has 46% of the seats, and the next has 25%, as was the case in 2008.

      • brooster2

        What's "too far to the left"? And what country are you presuming to speaking for?

    • Mike T.

      Ah, but one thing that Stephen harper has said at one time (which, naturally, is different from things he has said at other times), is that coaltions are Okay as long as they don't use the world coalition. So you may or may not have anything to fear, depending on what Harper wants to say at any given moment.

    • KRB

      How? See the 2008 Coalition proposal. That was, and still is, completely nuts. A party with 25% of the seats, with their leader already resigning, enlisting a separatist party in the deal, and the combined gov't caucuses still 30 short of the single biggest party bloc?!? Crazypants all 'round.

      If the Conservatives won and asked the Liberals to join them to provide a stable government for a full parliamentary term, I think most Canadians would applaud that. But the Liberals cannot in any way, shape or form say that's a possibility, and now the Conservatives will find it hard to say that they would form a coalition if they only received a minority mandate, even though Harper while meeting with UK PM Cameron said that coalitions were ok if it was the largest party forming them.

  • MostlyCivil

    Ladies and gentlemen, It's 11:41 on a Saturday nght, and a two hour-old posting now has almost 80 replies. A large number of them are from brand new anonymous accounts….

    The proxy war of the Young Conservatives and Young Liberals has begun..

    • Porridge and Main

      Yes indeed, I am glad that Ignatieff cleared the air. His purpose is now immanently clear on this. He intends to coordinate the defeat of the Harper government on the throne speech and form a government propped up by (at the very least) the NDP. It's his only avenue to power. He won't get a plurality of seats and it's highly unlikely he'll even be ale to get the balance of power with NDP support alone.

      So Canadians must know this: either they elect a conservative majority or we get another minority parliament with Jack and Gilles forcing their legislative demands on Iggy to keep him in power. Ok, it's not a "coalition" it's just a recipe for bad government.

    • http://halooverride.blogspot.com/ Halo_Override

      "Mere coincidence" or "sheer coincidence"? You be the judge!

  • FVerhoeven

    Coming up soon: Mr.Coyne trying to defend the Liberal financial platform by trying to convince us it will be far superior to anything the Conservative leader could ever hope to produce.

    Mr.Coyne will find a way for explaining the Liberal numbers as to be good solid numbers. All can be trusted because, really, the onus is on Harper to explain his numbers. Coyne might even call Brison to make the promise that the Liberal numbers will be solid. The question will, of course, be repeated and the answers will be repeated also as to convince us that all has been understood correctly.

    Mr.Coyne, what are you doing to yourself?

    • Mike T.

      Historically, Liberal platforms have outshone CPC ones.

      • Keith in Brampton

        Historically, Liberals have broken fewer of their platform promises than the CPC. Not sure that's what people thought they meant when the CPC promised to do things differently.

        • gord Tulk

          Wage and price controls, the GST, no coaliton with the BQ those are far far larger than any broken promise save perhaps the "not now not never" weasel words of Brian Mulroney. (that that i am saying the FTA was a bad idea – quite the contrary)

          • Mike T.

            ladies and gentlemen, the self-selecting memory and lying mouth of Gord Tulk!

          • Keith in Brampton

            Here's a challenge for you: get hold of the 2006 CPC platform (they didn't really have one in 2008, but there are undoubtedly a few promises made then too), and put them into three columns – those achieved; those ignored; and those broken.

            I'll admit, my answer above is purely subjective, and my memory of Lib promises and their completion rate has undoubtedly faded with time, but the sheer number of CPC broken promises certainly seems to me like it must be a record.

            Heck, Harper broke two promises in his very first act as PM: he said no MP should ever be allowed to cross the house without seeking re-election; and he said he would not appoint senators. When he named his cabinet, it included a member just elected under the Liberal banner, and a Quebecois he appointed to the senate so he could be included as a cabinet minister.

            It was at that very moment I lost all respect for and trust in the man. He has reconfirmed my opinion almost daily since.

          • KRB

            Harper NEVER said that MP's should not be allowed to cross the floor … you are purely projecting that onto him. What he actually said is that there shouldn't be rules governing floor-crossings, b/c that would give party leaders even more power over their MP's.

            As for appointing Senators, he only appointed 2 for the longest time: Michael Fortier, his Montreal rep in gov't, and Bert Brown, who won the Alberta Senatorial election.

            It was only in the wake of the 2008 Coalition crisis that he started appointing to the Senate en masse. By then it was clear that the Liberals could not and would not be shamed into supporting Senate reform, so obviously to pass such bills, you need a majority in the Senate. Seems pretty elementary to me.

          • Gayle

            He only appointed 2, 1 of whom he appointed as his first act as PM. So that means, what – that it was only a teensie weensie broken promise?

            How many does he have to appoint before it is a broken promise? I am pretty sure that answer is 1.

            As for his so-called Senate "reform", I think it is pretty clear he never had any intention of enacting it.

        • KRB

          Whaaaaaa?!?!?!

          Good luck convincing Canadians of that one! People have seen the Liberal broken promise movie more times than they would like, for multiple lifetimes.

      • hollinm

        yes when they are based on lies, obvuscation and fabrication i..e national daycare, elimination of the GST, elimination of child poverty, lower taxes, getting rid of free trade etc. etc.

    • brooster2

      "Coming up soon: Mr.Coyne trying to defend the Liberal financial platform by trying to convince us it will be far superior to anything the Conservative leader could ever hope to produce."

      You're truly amazing! You seem to see left-wing conspiracies everywhere. Now you're training your sites on Coyne who, I suspect, is regarded by most readers as moderately right-of-center.

      Who, in your view, confirms your world view and speaks "the truth"?

    • John_Edgar

      I don't know about you but when I'm deciding who to vote for I want all of the parties to "explain their numbers".

      • FVerhoeven

        Absolutely. But so far we've only heard the Tories' numbers and numbers from the Liberals saying that the Tories numbers don't add up. I am waiting for the Liberal numbers and how they would explain their numbers, and furthermore, how the Liberal "exact' numbers will be explained by the media.

        That's all. Fair enough, I'd say!

        • danby

          I dunno, I've heard Kevin Page's numbers and they sure differ from the governments.
          Kevin Page was appointed the Parliamentary Budget Officer by Stephen Harper – the same Stephen Harper who has cut his budget and limited his access to the files he needs to do the job Stephen Harper appointed him to do. I wonder why the government would do that?

          What is your opinion of Kevin Page and the PBO's numbers?
          Is he part of the conspiracy too?

  • Blue

    Though he would never admit it, I think Coyne sometimes does his contrarian thing and uses inflammatory language like that in the title of this post just to feed the predominately Liberal commenters on this site.
    There is no way he would get 90 responses on a Saturday night if he didn`t entices some of the regulars here with a little bit of Harper-bashing.

    • FVerhoeven

      This is what I think is going on behind the scene: the media elite (not necessarily Coyne) has always liked the prospect of being able to hoist Ignatieff into position of PM. They would love to have him replace Harper. Now that the chance exists that Ignatieff may fall as far as John Turner did in 1984 (you had a choice, sir, you could have chosen to be elected leader by the party membership) or heaven forbid, to fall as far as Kim Campbell did, he must be spared such embarrasment at all cost and the media elite will do anything to spare Ignatieff, and the Liberal party such feat.

      • brooster2

        Who are these "media elite" to which you keep alluding here and elsewhere? Are they large corporations or individual opinion makers?

        • FVerhoeven

          I would certainly include the G&M editorial board and many of its perenial writers such as Simpson and Lawrence what's his name, and the CBC – Peter Mansbridge wears the hate for Harper on his sleeve and cannot stop from smiling when he mentions Ignatieff's name. Just watch the broadcaster in action. Body language says a lot.

          (Did you know that in the last proposed budget, the CBC had been offered a 60 million pay increase for the corp, paid for by tax dollars, that is, if the budget had passed….)

          • brooster2

            So, what if I counter that Quebecor and it's chain of Sun newspapers are similarly biased in the other direction (and throw in the National Post for good measure)?

            I suggest that a spectrum of political views and apparently diverse sympathies in the media are also hallmarks of a robust democracy.

            You have a problem with that, too?

          • FVerhoeven

            But I don't think you could claim that the NP would stoop as low as did the G&M editorial board by printing today's editorial.

            Never seen such insult to the intelligence of the Canadian newspaper reader. But judge for yourself, and see if you can spot how they try to pull the wool over our eyes. I won't comment on this any further, because if readers don't get this insult, then there is not much to discuss.
            http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/edit…

          • brooster2

            See, I'd already read it and didn't find it particularly "low stooping". It's all in the eye of the beholder.

            Which goes back to the theme I've been ragging on in our exchanges all evening: neither of us has the right, in an open democracy, to declare the views of others (like the Bloc) "illegitimate", just because we happen not to agree with them.

          • brooster2

            "(Did you know that in the last proposed budget, the CBC had been offered a 60 million pay increase for the corp, paid for by tax dollars, that is, if the budget had passed….)"

            What's the point of this observation if, indeed, it's true?

          • FVerhoeven

            I just wanted to make sure that the reader knows who pays for Mansbridge salary. It's the taxpayer. Therefor, Mansbridge specially has to be none partisan. But his body language does tell a different story. Body language has a difficult time lying.

          • brooster2

            I think you're underestimating the typical CBC viewer if you assume they don't know how the mother corp is funded. I also think that, as a crown corporation, it can't possibly please all citizens in its efforts to be non-partisan. You are an obvious case in point.

            Unfortunately for it, CBC's mandate goes far beyond a mission to simply appeal to partisan voters. In many parts of the country, it's the only game in town.

        • KRB

          Terry Milewski, Lynne Robson, Craig Oliver, and Don Martin come to mind!

          From their statements and what they choose to cover and report on you wonder if they're not actively trying to manipulate the news so that a closer horse-race develops.

          Coyne is usually a shining beacon of objectivity, but even he seems to be going "wobbly" too.

          • Gayle

            poor little CPC. Everyone is ALWAYS against them!

            (IT is almost as if they are unable to take responsibility for their own actions, and have to blame the mean nasty media for covering anything that shows them in a bad light).

    • gord Tulk

      interesting take. Certainly the vast majority of the column has nothing to do with the title.

      • FVerhoeven

        Yeah, I had to look twice as well for making sense of the title, but when it comes down to it, Coyne does manage to wiggle in that hypocracy part. It can be found if you read the whole thing. I've read it twice and cannot understand Coyne's logic going into the piece or coming out of the piece. But peace, man! :)

  • stephen p

    Spot on Gord Tulk

    The existing Lib/NDP coalition is still in force (it expires June 30th – I've never seen reference to its annulment – perhaps Andrew has better contacts within the LP to get them to show him the Annulment Document!

    Then we have Mr. McGuinty and others say they will never form a coalition with the Bloc. One was never formed in 2008 either – just an agreement by the Lib/NDP coalition to allow the Bloc effective veto power over the Coalition's decisions. That agreement expired in June of last year.

    If I were Mr. Ignatieff, I would suggest he be straight about it. Whats wrong with Mr I saying "Look, – for heaven sakes if there is a way to replace the current Government by any means, we have an obligation as the Liberal Party to do all that is necessary to accomplish this." This outcome will be for the good of Canadains – Trust me!." After all, it's the only reason why we are having an election is to accomplish the replacement of the Harper Government – is it not?"

  • gottabesaid

    Iggy: We won't form a coaltion.

    Harper: Yes, you will.

    Iggy: No, we won't.

    Harper: Yes, you will.

    Iggy: No, we won't.

    Harper: Yes, you will.

    Pretty much summed up Day 1 of the campaign there. Will it get better? I hope so. If not, can we, I dunno, just have the vote tomorrow? Because, really, I don't think I need a month to make up my mind who to vote for based on a campaign like that. I can just flip a f*cking coin, if that's the case.

    • FVerhoeven

      Except that Ignatieff had said: Maybe I will, maybe I won't. He said that was clear enough.

      • gottabesaid

        "We will not enter a coalition with other federalist parties. In our system, coalitions are a legitimate constitutional option. However, I believe that issue-by-issue collaboration with other parties is the best way for minority Parliaments to function."

        Yeah, he sure left a lot of questions unanswered.

        Either believe him or don't believe him. But he was pretty clear today.

        • Keith in Brampton

          I agree – but watch the tories jump all over the "federalist" bit and claim his failure to rule out separatists as well in this one sentence is proof of plans to collude with the Bloc (even though he specifically reuled that out as well, elsewhere in his speech).

        • KRB

          "Whoever leads the party that wins the most seats on election day should be called on to form the government."

          "If that is the Liberal Party, then I will be required to rapidly seek the confidence of the newly elected Parliament."

          "If our government cannot win the support of the House, then Mr. Harper will be called on to form a government and face the same challenge."

          So he's setting up the scenario whereby Harper wins the most seats, but not a majority, and that when he goes to test the House, he is defeated. Then the Liberals become gov't, test their hand, and are supported by the NDP and Bloc. How convenient. See mom? No formal agreements!

          If the Libs and CPC are close, I can have and will have no complaints about this. But if they're far behind the Conservatives, I think it would be far better of them to acknowledge the biggest voting bloc and the platform that most people voted for, and offer to work in coalition with the Conservatives to provide strong, stable government over a full parliamentary term.

          • Out There

            But if they're far behind the Conservatives, I think it would be far better of them to acknowledge the biggest voting bloc and the platform that most people voted for, and offer to work in coalition with the Conservatives to provide strong, stable government over a full parliamentary term.

            The Conservatives do not want to be in a coalition with anybody – especially not the Liberals. The chance that they will listen to any opposition party when enacting legislation is 0%. And the chance that Harper and Ignatieff will be able to agree on the direction that Canada should take looks to be 0% also.

  • Observant

    But in his press conference, Ignatieff said: "I will not seek a coalition with the Bloc or NDP!"

    Layton said: "We will work with the other parties to stop another Harper government!". Duceppe said: "Harper is a liar … we had a coalition in 2004!"

    Ignatieff may NOT seek a coalition … BUT … NEITHER does he say he will refuse a coalition after the election if Layton and Duceppe entreat him …. and to make him the PM of Canada.

    Furthermore, the 2008 Coalition Accord is still a live document that lapses on June 30, 2011 …. and Ignatieff has already signed his name to approve it.

    Ergo, Iggy need not seek another coalition because the original coalition is still in effect !!!!!!

    • Keith in Brampton

      Wow – bet you're a great pretzel-maker! The troops in the CPC must love you!

      • Observant

        Ignatieff knows that the only way he will be the PM of Canada is with a NDP-BQ coalition … and ailing failing Jack knows it's his last chance to get his shaky hands on the levers of power in Ottawa.

        If another Conservative minority gov't is overthrown by a Liberal-NDP-BQ coalition to become the gov't of Canada, the largest provincial contingent will be from Quebec with upwards of 70 BQ, Liberal and NDP MPs. Now wouldn't that be interesting!!

        A Lib-Dip-Sep coalition would conceivably be a Quebec-Toronto axis of evil … which would split the country apart .. believe it.

    • gord Tulk

      And it was the NDP that whispered in Dion's ear about a coalition – it was caught on tape.

      • Gayle

        There is a tape of Layton whispering in Dion's ear? I gotta hear this!

        • Observant

          Don't you remember the intercepted NDP conference telephone call from Layton to the NDP faithful … where he openly bragged that he was the perpetrator of the infamous 2008 coalition ??!!!

  • canon70

    It is curious that when asked by Evan Solomon in 2004 if he was working on forming a colition, Mr. Harper did not deny it.

    Solomon: So why did you write that letter to the Governor-General with Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton saying in the event of a confidence vote situation do not call a snap election – are we to assume that therefore you're working to form a coalition?
    Harper: There seems to be an attitude in the Liberal government – that they can go in, be deliberately defeated and call an election – that's not how our constitutional system works. The government has a minority – it has an obligation to demonstrate to Canadians that it can govern. That it can form a majority in the House of Commons. If it can't form a majority, we look at other options, we don't just concede to the government's request to make it dysfunctional. I know for a fact that Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton and the people who work for them want this Parliament to work and I know it is in all of our interests to work. The government has got to face the fact it has a minority, it has to work with other people.

    • FVerhoeven

      He said then what he has been saying all along. A minority government must work with other people. When the budget was introduces, many things which had been suggested by Layton did end up in the budget. In fact, some of the Liberal suggestions are in the budget.

      But should the Tories have put every NDP and Liberal demand into the budget? In order for the parties to work together don't the opposition parties have to do their fair share?

      That is what Harper said then and what he is saying now.

      • gord Tulk

        precisely. well put.

      • Jan

        Flaherty refused to negotiate. How's that for working together?

        • FVerhoeven

          Jan, have you ever entered into a negotiation process? If one party has offered a counter, such as the Conservatives had done by including some of the NDP and LIb demands within the budget, would it then be the Conservative's turn again…..? Flaherty had offered his counter offer into the budget. And Jack had chosen not to take the counter offer. He would rather go campaigning instead. And so it is.

          • Gayle

            Actually, good faith negotiations would be in person. Layton should not have had to wait for the budget. IF Harper was sincere he would have called him up and said "we are prepared to put X in the budget. Are you prepared to support it if we do?".

    • Keith in Brampton

      The complete opposite of what he now says. Will the real Harper please stand up?

    • KRB

      They denied it in the press conference. It was on CTV News tonight, showing Duceppe saying "we are not a coalition!"

      Now he's saying they were one. He talks about how Harper asked him about what he wanted in a Throne Speech … conveniently leaving out the fact that they were talking about an amendment to the Liberal Throne Speech of Paul Martin's gov't.

      That amendment was moved on Oct. 6th, 2004, during the Address in Reply debate. See it here:
      http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publicat…

  • Karma

    Coyne did you read Maher's column where Dion swore up and down in the Chronicle Hearald board room prior to the election there'd be no Coalition? Then went out right after election day and signed the deal, along with Iggy, Rae et al. What says MI won't do it. And BTW that piece of paper they signed with Duceppe in 2008 is valid until June 2011. Read it!
    Here's the Key Phrase
    'Furthermore, upon its formation, the government will put in place a permanent consultation mechanism with the Bloc Québécois.'
    and this "Term of this Accord
    This Accord will expire on June 30, 2011 unless renewed.
    Agreed on December 1, 2008."
    And they all signed it including Michael Ignatieff

    • FVerhoeven

      Maher: "If, on that day, the Liberals and the NDP have more seats combined than the Conservatives, the Liberals may have the opportunity to take power, either in a coalition with New Democrat MPs in cabinet, or in a looser arrangement, such as the one that saw the Liberals govern Ontario with NDP support in the 1980s.

      Doing so would be democratic and legitimate, however much it would enrage conservatives from sea to sea."

      This report is contradicting itself. The Conservatives are not against the opposition parties forming a coalition if the NDP and Libs come out of this election with more seats combined than the Conservatives on their own. Never have they said that. The 2008 coalition was not legit precisely because the total seats between the Libs and NDP were far less than the Conservative seats and they coalition would have needed most of the BQ seats to make the coalition work. Harper warned us against that part. And it was dangerous for the country to let the BQ have the power in Ottawa. It would have been absurd.
      http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1234977.html

      • FVerhoeven

        But in order for the LIbs and NDP to have a larger seat count combined, the Tories must be down considerably. And of course when the Conservative seat count goes down because the LIbs and NDP go up, then there is no problem regarding the NDP and LIb forming government.

        The numbers work together, not in isolation. We cannot end up with high numbers for the Conservatives and end up with high numbers for the LIbs and NDP. It is impossible.

  • gord Tulk

    here's a report and picture on the 08 coalition:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/01/co…

    and here's the preamble of the document WHICH Mr. Ignatieff SIGNED onto:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_…

    and the key Snip – please take the time to read it carefully:

    "The new Government is supported by parties that share a commitment to fiscal responsibility, a progressive agenda and a belief in the role of Government to act as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers…"

    Some enterprising journo should ask Mr. Ignatieff why he thinks quebecers and Canadians are mutually exclusive (and MR. Layotn and the other signatories while they are at it)

  • gord Tulk

    and here's rex murphy's take:
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/26/re…

    a key snip:

    " it’s worth an underline: If a coalition is one of the prospects on offer in this election from the opposition parties, they owe it to themselves and the electorate to be explicit on the matter. People do not vote for what they cannot know about. And parties cannot claim support for what they did not campaign on."

    If Mr. Ignatieff decides to form a coalition after all he needs here and now to commit to going to the polls again – under a coalition banner to get approval. Given the LPC's extensive track record even then it would be hard to believe/trust them.

    • KRB

      Don't be so misguided Andrew!
      I am astounded at the short memories of our Ottawa press gallery. The 2004 letter was meant as a shield against PMPM calling a snap election were his numbers to shoot up. Or does anyone in their heart of hearts truly believe that a minority Conservative gov't could've survived a budget-making process with the NDP and Bloc?!? They might've passed something like the Accountability Act, but its main purpose would be to protect themselves from being caught out by an opportunistic election call.

      Just read Harper's first speech of the 38th Parliament, in reply to the Throne Speech:
      http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publicat…

      Does that sound like someone who doesn't accept the election results, and is instead hellbent on replacing the gov't? (cont'd) …

      • KRB

        (cont'd from above …)
        When Duceppe says "he asked me what I wanted in the Throne Speech", do the Ottawa pundits just assume Harper was talking about a future CPC Throne Speech?!? If so, you guys got played. Duceppe is talking about Paul Martin's Throne Speech, and Harper asking him what he would like in the Conservative AMENDMENT to it. You'll see those amendments that were put forward at the end of Harper's speech in the above post.

        They opposition parties wanted rule changes in the House, from the Standing Orders to the structure of committees (remember the vice-chair thing?), as well as supply days. They had telegraphed early on to the gov't that they would move an amendment to their Throne Speech to insert these things, to which Don Boudria had repeat apoplectic fits ("You can't amend the Address in Reply to the Throne Speech!!!" he would say).
        (cont'd …)

      • KRB

        (cont'd)
        The attempt at moral or rational equivalence between these two documents (the 2004 letter and the 2008 formal coalition proposal) is quite simply RIDICULOUS!!! There is no comparison, at all.

        And if the pundits can't see the big gaping hole left by the Libs on the coalition issue, then we really are ill-served. They have set up a situation where they will create a phony issue to get all angry about if and when a minority Conservative gov't goes to test the House, and then they'll defeat the gov't, and the Libs will then test the House, and lo and behold, the NDP and Bloc will back them.

  • Mike d

    here's the question iggy needs to answer.Maybe Andrew you could ask him,your on the same team. If the con's get a minority government and submit the same budget and you reject it, will you go back to the people for a vote, or form a coalition.

    • Mike T.

      That's the governor generals call.

      And if it's a minority, it's Harper's job to keep the support of the House – not Iggy's.

      • hollinm

        You are right. However, the GG has a responsibility to ensure whatever arrangement is being requested is legit, is workable and is in keeping with precedence and our constitution. We need a functioning government. Not one who is running around trying to buy votes.

        • Mike T.

          Since Mme. Jean's ill-conceived decision, it's kind of a grey area what the GG uses to decide if a government has to go back to the polls or not. I prefer a simple mechanism: can the government show support of the House. Period. Not, do I feel at some future date they may have difficulty controlling the house, or pass policy of which I disapprove in order to keep control of the house.

          But in many respects I am a traditionalist conservative. Your opinion may vary, esp. on what suits your parties needs at any given moment.

    • KRB

      You would hope they would pass it, seeing as this election is partly b/c of the budget. Maybe if they slipped in the HST agreement with Quebec, that Duceppe could agree to it, and then plan his hop back to Quebec City.

    • Out There

      If the con's get a minority government and submit the same budget and you reject it, will you go back to the people for a vote, or form a coalition.

      There's another option: the GG could ask Ignatieff to form a government. He could create a cabinet consisting entirely of Liberals, and then attempt to secure the support of one or more opposition parties when enacting legislation. In other words, what the Conservatives have been doing since they were elected.

      It's only a "coalition" if the cabinet consists of members of more than one party.

      • Mike T.

        No silly, it's only a coalition if Stephen Harper says it is! Get with the program!

  • FVerhoeven

    Funny, every time I write something which touches a nerve of the anti-Harper crowd, my "blueberry" starts blinking. Must have said something right in the last few minutes because I had five blinks within two seconds of my latest posting.

    It's funny!

  • http://www.invisiblehand.ca/ The Invisible Hand

    I called the Liberals to inquire. Their MP, David McGuinty, called me back. He was careful to make sure he understood my question, and I was careful to make sure I had heard his answer correctly. And it was unequivocal: the same rules would apply in either case. No coalition, no formal arrangement with the Bloc.

    I consider the issue settled.

    If this is really the official Liberal/Ignatieff position, wouldn't it have been revealed in an official manner, like in their news release or a statement from their Leader?

    One of their candidates saying it to a reporter in a private phone conversation doesn't really cut it, IMHO.

    • hollinm

      Amen!!!!!!!!!!! Andrew is more experienced than this. The fact is if they go back on their word and form a coalition Andrew can scream and yell from the roof tops but they will ignore him and in fact give him the one finger salute. All that matters to the Libs is they are back in power. To hell with what Canadians want and to hell with how they have to get back into power.

      Once again why does a party who is running 10-15 pts behind the government trigger an election? Once again with feeling. There is a hidden agenda here and it is not Stephe Harper's. Coyne should know better.

  • Richard Westgate

    Andrew! I'm appalled by this insistence of absolutely ruling out a THE only sensible first option to an inconclusive election! Yes, the party with most seats is invited to form a government. But if it is a very small minority situation, and a workable arrangement cannot be made to gain the confidence of the House, THEN the GG can invite other parties to attempt to form a government that does have the confidence of the House. That attempt may also fail, and then we have a second immediate election. That's how the system works! It is ridiculous to insist, as SHrug does, that this is NOT an option in any circumstances. But when has he ever cared about proper Parliamentary rules or conventions? We lose our democracy through the death of a thousand cuts.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ CanadianSense

    The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois held talks to form a coalition party well before the opposition's uproar over the government's fiscal update, CTV News has learned.

    NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a "considerable period of time," reported CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife on Sunday.

    Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.

    "Let's just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early," Layton says. "Because, you couldn't put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago."

    He then goes on to say that the NDP "spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly."

    Layton also says about the Bloc: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec…actually helping to make Canada a better place."
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20081130/con…

  • trikebum

    "I presume he, too, would rule out a coalition, and I’m prepared to take him at his word on that point."

    Really? You trust Harper's words? I laugh for fear that I might cry.

  • Out There

    I consider the issue settled.

    As do I. But, sadly, it doesn't really matter what Ignatieff says. Harper is still going to repeatedly raise the spectre of a Liberal-Bloc-NDP coalition on the campaign trail.

  • Mark R

    Hi Andrew,

    Excellent article, some great points. The headline seems very misleading as to the content of the article.

    • Skinny Dipper

      Note: the authors of the columns and articles do not usually create the headlines. These are usually decided by an editor or someone who assists the editor.

  • Don D

    I find it hilarious that with all the Harper bashing, the Tories still top the polls. The obvious left wing bend of almost all media outlets is hardly slowing down the Tories and Mr. Harper. That tells me that you A Coyne a re out of touch with the rest of Canada. You along with the rest of your Liberal media masters. Canada isn’t buying what you guys have been preaching for 5+ years.

    Where’s Harper’s hidden agenda? Have you found that yet? You’ve were talking about that 5+ years ago.

    The Liberals, NDP and BQ signed a coalition agreement that is a matter of public record. It went into great detail about who would be PM and the number of ministers each party would get etc.

    If Harper did the same please produce it…where is it? 2004 we had a $500 million Adscam perpetrated by the then sitting Liberal government. Are you seriously trying to draw parallels between then and now?

    I urge you to do it. Reminding Canadians about the 2004 Adscam will only strengthen the Tories and PM Harper. Please continue. You must think Canadians as a whole are stupid. That would only be the ones who watch you are your band of lefties on the CBC At Issue panel. Any effort ot looking for the facts paints a very different story then the one you’re trying to put over on Canada.

    • Out There

      The obvious left wing bend of almost all media outlets is hardly slowing down the Tories and Mr. Harper.

      I have no idea where this "left wing media" meme comes from. I live in Toronto – hardly a hotbed of conservatism – and the political orientation of the Toronto papers can be described thusly:

      The Star – okay, they're left-leaning
      The Globe – neutral (endorsed Harper in the last two elections)
      The National Post – basically a Conservative house organ
      The Sun – pro-Conservative

      If you called a Sun editor a left-winger to his face, he would likely punch you in the nose.

      • Don D

        The year is 2011, there is more then newspapers out there now. Tv’s are even in colour now, embrace technology.

        The globe is a Liberal Rag, always has been and always will be.

        All TV news agencies are left leaning. Until SunTV news comes to right that balance.

        People have a choice in this election. Give PM Harper a majority or the BQ, Liberals and NDP will form a government even if the Tories have the most seats of any one party.

        If the election turns out that the seats remain exactly the same as they are now then the BQ, Liberals and NDP will vote down the Tories and will move to govern Canada.

        So from now on any election result that isn’t majority by the Tories will be defeated by the three left wing parties. Canada will be run with the BQ as king maker.

        So you have a choice either Conservative or the rest of the parties will run the country together. Vote splitting doesn’t matter anymore. As long as all three left parties together have more seats then the Tories they’ll run Canada.

  • niceguy71

    Nice headline…..you mention Mr. Harpers hypocrisy problem, then go on to detail Iggy's hypocrisy through the first 3/4 of the body of your argument. No media bias here….

  • Skinny Dipper

    Ignatieff needs to change the channel from the coalition and start attacking Harper on his undemocratic ways and his contempt of Parliament (and the Canadian people). When a reporter asks a question about coalitions, Ignatieff needs to switch to attacking Harper on what a contemptuous Harper regime would be like for Canadian families if Harper were to receive a majority.

    • Observant

      The true attack on Canadian democracy is the spectre of the looming Coalition Troika Junta … preparing to seize power after the election. They are snakes in the grass who will say and do anything to mislead Canadians just to get their hands on power …. sooooo obvious.

      • Skinny Dipper

        If Party A receives 35 percent of the seats, Party B receives 34, and Party C receives 31 percent of the seats; You assume that only Party A can form the government. Party B and C can't get together in anyway either in a formal coalition or informal agreement.. That's not democratic. 35 seats beat 65. That's why the Conservatives hate democracy.

        • harebell

          Get used to the semi-literate trolling by Sun readers.
          They shout because they have no points and are just regurgitating the talking points.

  • Americanization

    The Harper regime must go. majority?! says Flaherty? LOL! can you imagine the Harper regime with a majority government?! SCARY!.

  • Maggie

    Harper owes everyone in Canada an apology for his contempt of parliament. He is toast.

    • Observant

      The true contempt of Parliament was the rigged majority Opposition motion to defeat the government and avoid voting on the Budget and Economic Action Plan. The Opposition are political cowards of the lowest order, and that's what Canadians will conclude on May 2nd … believe it.

  • Randy H

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