No, the message is that Michael Ignatieff is a bad man. The claims the Conservatives make about him, in this ad and elsewhere, are distortions. I don't like like Ignatieff and won't vote for him, but the Conservative dishonesty on this says more about Harper than the ads say about Ignatieff.

"If you're not an Iggy supporter, then why do you act like one?"

Because I think the stupid name-calling and personal attacks, especially when they are demonstrably dishonest as what the Conservatives have been engaging in, are harmful to our country and our democracy.

"Some people want only their side to have a say, while others have to sit there and take it."

And I want all sides to have a say. That includes people and parties I don't agree with. Hell, I even want Stephen Harper to have a say. Standing there and screaming that somebody doesn't meet your narrow criteria of being a Canadian is not having a say though, it is an attempt to keep others from listening.

Let's see Harper offer some electoral and parliamentary reforms that aren't completely self-serving and would limit his own power as Prime Minister. Let him run an ad about that. He should, at the very least, admit that he broke our parliamentary rules and was found in contempt as a result. Instead he's pretending that it never happened.

Oh please, the Reverend is absolutely correct. And put that on top of the nonsensical hysteria the CPC is raising regarding the perfectly legitimate notion of a coalition government. Perhaps the CPC could put out an ad explaining how its disastrously expensive crime agenda and prison building stimulus project will be successful in Canada since it has been proven to be an utter failure in the United States, where Harper plucked it from. May 2d can't come quick enough.

Nope. I disagree with people all the time. I don't try to discredit them though, I respond to their arguments. Conservatives don't make valid arguments though, instead they call people names, scream like spoiled little children, and stomp their feet like dim oxen.

I'd love to discuss what I find wrong with Ignatieff's policies and ideas, just as I would have loved to discuss the weaknesses of Dion's. I learned in the last election though. There could be no valid discussion of the many weaknesses of Dion's arguments though, because the Conservatives were too busy misrepresenting them in a bizarre fashion and brutalizing Dion for having an accent and having a mother who came from France.

It's the politics of destruction and stupidity, like the lies of of the Swift Boat Bozos or the insanity of Bill O'Reilly. It's Tea Party stupidity. It's the worship of purposeful ignorance and practical stupidity.

Grow up, get some policies, and learn how grown-ups deal with things. I'm sick and tired of people thinking that acting like idiots makes them somehow adequate.

Not at all. There's a lot of Reform/Conservative things I could support or reach a compromise on. It won't happen when you treat politics like a hockey fight though. It certainly won't happen when you start from the position that I'm a dirty commie or that people I know to be upstanding citizens are somehow second class Canadians because they spent part of their lives working outside of the country or moved here from someplace else. It sure as hell won't happen when if you stand up and lie about how our democratic system works.

Now, I'm not going accuse you of being a backwoods hillbilly to stupid to tie your own shoes, too inbred to have binocular vision, and too poorly raised not have intimate relations with barnyard animals. To do such a thing would be wrong. I do want you to consider how you'd respond if you were accused of those things every day though, because that's basically the level the Conservatives have reached.

"Why not move to China where they love your types?"

They love middle-aged men with tractor fixations in China? I wasn't aware of that. Is this some kind of sex cult you're getting started up? Are you trying to sell me into slavery? Sure, promise me travel and affection and then chain me behind a team of oxen in some rice paddy. You conservatives are all the same.

"You say you won't do those things, but you just did it."

No, actually, I just avoided doing it. I didn't call you an inbred one-eyed pigf***er, I noted that calling you that would be wrong.

I'm not losing in politics either. I'm not in politics and I'm not quite stupid enough to see it as a win/lose proposition. I'm in landscape carpentry and how-to writing. I'm not getting rich, but I'm not running out of money for smokes either. Again, not a win/lose thing.

Also, I really can't generate the energy to hate anybody.

Go ahead and scream and yell and stomp your feet though. Let off a little steam. Maybe take the truck out and roll it in the ditch, or wander down to the local beer hall and start a brawl. Whatever turns your crank.

I'm not joining your weird sex cult, Dennis, no matter how much you sweet-talk me.

When Layton first got in he said he was a socialist…dippers had a fit, declaring they were social democrats…like northern Europe

If you use the US definition of 'left'….Harper is a leftie. LOL

But Harp is actually an early Libertarian….the 'night watchman state' is what he wants.

The tribal form of govt.

That's absurd.

For one thing it's not govt-run…it's simply subsidized.

For another it would mean the military, the police, firemen, garbagemen and so on are all socialist.

Like I said….look up words before you use them

so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA

–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Yes, m'dear it is.

Yet somehow you see that as different from your pet projects….military, police etc

We aren't the ones having trouble understanding simple concepts scf….that would be you.

"I am a socialist, being that I share my beer and help my neighbours lift heavy things"

Boy, you have a lot of trouble with certain concepts. You don't have the slightest clue what socialism means.

Do you forecfully confiscate money from each and every one of your neighbours to pay for the beer (obviously, that is impossible)? Do you tell your neighbours what can be lifted and when?

Then you clearly don't understand the concept of taxation-based funding and regulation of an industry, nor do you understand the concept of voluntary participation, nor do you understand the concept of the problem with monopolies, nor do you understand the concept of earnings based on voluntary exchange and earnings based on government legislation, nor do you understand the concept of having control of your own earnings, nor do you understand the concept of freedom.

I did not know that you pay no taxes. That's nearly impossible.

You seem to have trouble with simple concepts. I'm not your high school teacher, go back to high school if you cannot understand socialism. Or read a book. Or take a look around you and learn something.

RB: "Not only did they not confiscate my money"

Merriam-Webster: "CONFISCATE: 1 appropriated by the government : forfeited "
free-online dictionary: v "con·fis·cate: 1. To seize (private property) for the public treasury.
adj 1. Seized by a government; appropriated."

RB: "of course I pay taxes"

Seems as though you are having difficulty with the English language. Like I said before, go back to high school.

I'm just trying to have a conversation in the English language, which is something you are not doing, either because you cannot do it, or you don't wish to do it.

As for this "cave people" nonsense, whatever…. try making sense sometime.