Is Canada a nation?

by Andrew Coyne on Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:22pm - 87 Comments

I know he’s said it many times before, and I know it’s the kind of thing that people say without blinking these days, and believe me I don’t expect anything better from any of the other leaders, but this is nevertheless an astonishing thing for anyone seeking to lead the country to say:

I know that the great majority of Quebecers consider that Quebec is their nation, and Canada is their country. I was the first to recognize that. I believe that one can be a Quebecer or a Canadian in the order that one desires.

Or at least it should be astonishing. I suppose I’d say I was astonished more people aren’t astonished, but I’m not even astonished by that any more.

The issue here isn’t whether Quebec is a nation: that’s a debate for another time. The issue is whether Canada is. In Ignatieff’s formulation, it’s just a country, at least to the “great majority of Quebecers.” Quebec is a nation, of that he has no doubt: but is Canada? And if so, are Quebecers part of it?

And whatever Canada is, the putative Prime Minister of Canada is quite content that it should take second place: that people’s first loyalty should be, not to the nation — whoops, country — he seeks to lead, but to something else. This at least has the virtue of clarity: another politician might utter the fatuity that you can have equal loyalty to two different things, because after all the two will never conflict.

But if they do? If there’s an issue that, God forbid, should ask people to put Canada’s interests, the interests of the whole nation/country, first? No, a Prime Minister Ignatieff would be content that Canada should, always, finish second. Presumably he is no less complaisant with other parts of the country putting their own selfish, narrow and particular interests ahead of the rest.

A nation — hell, even a country — cannot function that way. The whole point is that we make certain sacrifices for each other: that we compromise, at least some of the time, in the interest of the greater good. The only way people will do that is if they are willing to put Canada, on occasion, first. And the job of a Prime Minister of Canada, you would think, is to ask them — no, not ask: implore, urge, demand — to do that.

“Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” Can you imagine any Prime Minister of Canada saying that? And is that to our credit? Or does it help to explain why we’ve spent the last 50 years teetering on the edge of destruction, making regular ransom payments to avert it?

So I think it would be appropriate to ask Ignatieff, and all the other leaders: Is Canada a nation? If so, are Quebecers part of it? And is it conceivable that anyone in Canada might ever have to put Canada first?

CODA: Never mind JFK. Try another thought experiment. The House of Commons famously passed a resolution declaring “the Québécois” to be a nation. Can you imagine the same House passing a resolution declaring Canada, or Canadians, to be a nation? Go ahead, try…

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  • SocialLiberal

    Seperatists, coalitions, taxes…

    Doesn't anyone realize the government has been heild in contempt of parliament?? Why is all this other garbage news right now?

    • west newf

      Because on the contempt issue you and your Liberal friends are full of CRAP!

      • Atchison

        Its in the news because it matters to the majority of Canadians.

    • Reverend_Blair

      Yeah, Coyne was definitely off on a tangent when he wrote this one. "On the crazy bus" is the term I think he prefers.

  • Zamprelli

    Canada = nation
    Canada = country

    Québec = nation that is part of Canadian nation
    Acadia = nation that is part of Canadian nation
    First nations = nations that are part of Canadian nation
    Newfoundland = (arguably) nation that is part of Canadian nation
    All provinces minus Québec = not a nation

  • West Newf

    Canada was a nation, before that GD Trudeau F'ed it all up!

  • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

    Canada is actually a joke as long as the rule of law does not apply.

    Now this Bob Livingstone guy sounds like quite the lawyer, doesn't he?

    http://betshort.com

    We need Canadians who respect the law, and they appear to be too few and far between.

  • http://indygestion.wordpress.com indygestion

    This cartoon says it all about the coalition issue:

    http://theindependent.ca/2011/03/28/indytoons-coa…

  • Harvey Mushman

    What Igantieff's quote does bring to mind is his stunning arrogance.

    The man says "I" more times than an opthalmologist.

    It certainly doesn't do him any favours when he's trying to rid himself of the ivory tower snob tag.

  • Mike

    Geez, you'd think a guy who's spent years writing political polemics would at least have an understanding of the poli sci definitions of 'country' and 'nation', French translations notwithstanding. This is gone over ad nauseum in most Poli Sci 101s — nations are a PEOPLE with defined language, history, culture, countries are geographic areas delineated by borders, and states are the institutions that govern countries with the legitimate use of force. Ignatieff is entirely correct to differentiate between the two, as was Mr Harper in 2006.

  • truthgirl

    Finally, someone with balls.

  • Reverend_Blair

    I find it laughable that we would question whether Ignatieff thinks of Canada as a nation. Duceppes may not, and I have some questions about Harper's feeling due to the infamous Firewall letter, but Ignatieff and Layton have been pretty clear, even eloquent, in past statements and writings.

    More to the point though, if you were to ask Albertans or Newfoundlanders whether they put the country or their province first, what do you think the answer would be, Andrew? I suspect there would be a fair number who put their province first, based on things I've read and heard.

  • bengoose

    Incorrect.

  • Claudia Lemire

    Yes Andrew Coyne does tend to speak his mind and he has done well!!

  • Reverend_Blair

    Also, in the interests of full disclosure, I should mention that I'm a member of the Tractor Nation.

  • Atchison

    "Presumably he is no less complaisant with other parts of the country putting their own selfish, narrow and particular interests ahead of the rest…The whole point is that we make certain sacrifices for each other…in the interest of the greater good"

    Coyne acknowledges that some may put their province first but states that such a view is wrong morally.

  • Mr. King

    What, do you know something the rest of us don't?

  • FVerhoeven

    Well, pretty soon we'll make history, again. A liberal leader who has lived in Britain and US of A for 30 years, has been brought back by the Liberal elites by lack of better choices and coronated at the earliest opportunity, and soon to be installed as the coalition King.

    Long live Canadian democracy.

    OH, and did you know that the corporate tax cut has been cancelled by the Liberals so that the Liberal party stand already lines up with NDP stand well ahead in time for forming the coalition. Coincidence? Of course not.

  • Mike T.

    Incidentally, even if everything you've said was true, it still wouldn't affect Canadian democracy. Certainly not the way Harper has been attacking it!

  • non-partisan

    I would be really interested to see what the results of absentee ballots for Canadian expats are for this election.

    I hope every single Canadian living abroad casts their ballot and does not vote for the Conservatives, because Harper’s line of attack on Ignatieff pretty much relegates Canadians who go abroad to second class citizens.

    This line of attack is so parachial and narrow minded. God forbid a Canadian leave the country to work, but come back to represent the nation – apparently we only allow hockey players to do that.

  • Atchison

    "If you don't believe that your country comes before yourself, you can better serve your country by living somewhere else" – Stompin' Tom Connors

    Almost written directly from Stompin' Tom to Michael Ignatiff.

  • Tony, SFO-YUL

    I’ve been living out of CANADA for the last 20 years. And hell, yeah, Canada is my country.
    I would never consider the United States my country even though I’ve been here for so long.
    And being born in Montreal, well, Quebec is a culture not a nation.

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