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Harper's promise: a warrantless online surveillance state

by Jesse Brown on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:56am - 109 Comments

“We are not in any way shape or form wanting extra powers for police to pursue [information online] without warrants.”

That was Stockwell Day, speaking to me in 2007. He was the Harper government’s public safety minister at the time, and his office came into controversy when consultation documents surfaced suggesting that the Conservatives were drafting a “lawful access” crime bill that would greatly expand the powers of police to obtain personal information about Canadians from their Internet service providers without court oversight.

If such a bill were to become law, cops would no longer need a warrant to trace, say, an Internet comment to a citizen’s name, IP address, email address, home address, and cell phone number. In fact, as long as the police had any one of the above, they could request the rest of the info from ISPs without a judge ever considering the need for such disclosure.

But Minister Day was emphatic—my concerns were misplaced, the controversy unnecessary. He had no intention of proposing any such bill. He claimed that the leaked document was a leftover from the previous Liberal administration. He later told the Ottawa Citizen that though such powers would help the police, they were an affront to “our expectation of rights to privacy.”

And warrantless web tracing?

“That is not the path we’re walking down at all, ” said Day.

Two years later, the Conservatives walked down that path.

After a cabinet shuffle, the public safety minister in June 2009 was Peter Van Loan, and he sang a very different tune to me about the need for expanded police powers.

Van Loan tabled a ‘lawful access’ bill that would give police exactly the powers Stockwell Day told me they wouldn’t need. The new minister saw this as no big deal—Canadians, he told me, had “no reasonable expectation of privacy” when it came to this information. In other words, when you leave a comment on this website under a pseudonym, it is unreasonable for you to expect that the police will not be able to trace it to your name, cell number, home address, email address, and other web activity, by linking it to your I.P. address. Such information, he told me, is just like a listing in the phone book.

Others begged to differ. The Ottawa Citizen called the ‘lawful access’ bill “out of balance,” Colby Cosh called it “a bogus, ill-advised expansion of State power,” and the Montreal Gazette called it “unnecessary” and, more to the point, “bad”.

Last month, Canada’s privacy commissioner, Jennifer Stoddart, along with every provincial privacy commissioner in the country, sent Public Safety Canada a letter expressing their concerns about the lawful access bill. Namely, they didn’t see any need for it—ISPs already hand over whatever information police ask for, without a warrant, when the cops claim there is immediate danger or child endangerment. They called the bill “problematic”  and wrote that there was “insufficient justification” for the new powers, suggesting “less intrusive” ways for law enforcement to fight crime.

For years, lawful access has been bouncing around, awaiting debate and modification as yet another cabinet shuffle brought Vic Toews into the public safety minister’s office.  Now the Harper campaign promises us that all their outstanding crime bills will be bundled together and shoved through Parliament within 100 days of a Conservative victory.

It’s a promise to do significant damage to the civil liberties of every Canadian, and one Harper’s opponents would do well to pounce on.

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  • Peter Hillier

    Let's not forget that this initiative was born out of the Liberal government and hasn't gone through too much change in the 3 iterations of the Bill. Don't Blame Conservatives.

    • SirJohn_Eh

      Don't blame Conservatives?!?!?!?! What are they incapable of hearing all the reasons its not a good bill to pass and making a decision to drop it?? They just HAVE to push it through because the Liberals mulled it over for a bit? You're an idiot and the Conservatives are creepier by the second.

      • Peter Hillier

        It doesn't have to be cancelled and It's not a partisan issue. Canada is being forced down this road through Global pressures. I never indicated I supported it. There are ways to enable "Lawful" access with proper due diligence in mind, which in fact has been going on for some time. Yes the current legislation needs updating. I've been following this file, and have published on the subject, for over 10 years now.

        • Timetopost

          Wow- Peter, you're absolutely correct in your comment… this thread is stacked with liberals who can't see past the red on the tips of their own noses.

        • PKD

          Peter, you've done a poor job of "following this file" if you have failed to notice the difference in how the Liberals did their public consultation on lawful access and this approach, and that the Liberal effort did not remove the requirement for traditional warrants and oversight. Those are rather significant differences.

    • SamDavies

      Let's not forget that the world has changed considerably since the Liberals were in power. Partisan logic (spin) is ever so daft. The origins are not relevant – what matters is the NOW, and it is the Conservatives that are pushing this forward.

      • Peter Hillier

        No, the bureaucracy, in this case Public Safety Canada, has continued to push it forward despite the left or right leaning of the government of the day.

        • Thwim

          And if the left or right leaning government of the day doesn't resist, then we have every right, and even duty to blame the party for not doing so.

          Don't blame the Conservatives? Piss off. I'll blame whoever's letting this stuff go through. If it's the CPC, at the time, you're damn straight I'll blame them. If it's the Liberals, then I'll be blaming them. But telling me not to blame one of the political parties? What should a person do then? March into Public Safety Canada and start shooting? No.. we control our bureaucracy by controlling their leaders, our politicians.

          • craigola

            "What should a person do then? March into Public Safety Canada and start shooting?" The authorities are on their way. Don't blame the Conservatives.

          • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

            You used to be a half-assed reasonable commenter. Now you've resorted to telling people to piss off? Clearly I over-estimated you. I understand the poll results thus far have you a little testy, but you're making an a$$ of yourself. Just thought I'd let you know. You're welcome.

        • Toews' love child

          You are completely out to lunch. Ask ANY civil servant if the Harper government follows their advice about anything and you will be met by gales of bitter laughter. If you've really come to this conclusion after following the file "for ten years" you are in the wrong business.

    • Sally

      The media tries to alert Canadians to what the Conservatives are trying to do, Why isn't this story on the front page of every newspaper in the country? I'm not sure which upsets me more. the fact that the Conservatives are taking us down the road to a police state or that someone like you is willing to go along for the ride.
      The fact is most Canadians are totally unaware of how their rights are being undermined by this legislation. We send members of parliament to Ottawa to uphold our democratic rights , not to undermine them.
      How many of our men and women died fighting for the very rights you are blindly willing to surrend?

      • Peter Hillier

        I'm not going along for any ride; read this: http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/opinion-what-yo…

        • Sally

          I read your article but that has only left me confused as to why you don;t hold the Conservatives responsible for pushing this legislation forward. The Liberals may well have tried to introduce the idea but the Conservatives have taken a bad idea and expanded it. You can accuse them lacking orgininality but you can't use "he did it first" to justify continuing to undermine the civil liberties of Canadians. . Public Safety can push their agenda but they can't introduce legislation in Parliament. The blame rests with Mr Toews .

      • Margaret

        I really hate Canadian media somedays – they are obtuse, they just collect a paycheque.

    • Peter

      Here's something you may want to consider, Hillier.

      Today, the Conservatives are in power, so you're comfortable with the police using the Lawful Access powers to go after budding Jihadists and criminal gangs and all the rest. I think due process needs to be followed even if more criminals get away because of it, but you may have a different opinion. What about critics of the police? Maybe you're of the opinion that they can do and do not to any wrong, but in a world where they can dig up anyone's personal thoughts at the touch of a button, who would dare blow the whistle on a police scandal?

      And consider tomorrow; the Conservatives aren't in power. Then what happens? What about that unfavourable opinion you may or may not have left under a pseudonym about the Arabs, or Jews, or the Aboriginals. You want to go in front of a Human Rights Commission? Or face criminal charges for inciting hatred?

      How about the police contract a company to troll the internet, start matching comments to identities, and create a massive database of citizen's online activities. The database could be searched for patterns indicating, say, a likeliness to bomb an abortion clinic, with greater than 10 posts on the subject containing inflammatory "key words" indicating a "likely probability" of attack. The police raid your house, find an unregistered handgun and send you to jail. Or unwittingly uncover an extramarital affair and end your marriage.

      The possibilities and abuses are endless. The Police State can clearly cut both ways.

      • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

        What about that unfavourable opinion you may or may not have left under a pseudonym about the Arabs, or Jews, or the Aboriginals. You want to go in front of a Human Rights Commission? Or face criminal charges for inciting hatred?

        That already happens. Duh.

    • Margaret

      How can you be so stupid? The Conservatives are the ones enacting it, pushing it. Are you going to blame the Liberals if the Cons reinstate the death penalty, and your grandchild is executed? Or when they bring back mandatory conscription for wartime, which Harper is undoubtedly praying for — and your kids are going into the army whether they want to or not? That's going to be the fault of the Liberals too?

    • Guest

      Peter, ur absolutely correct, censoring internet, etc. even phone calls personal calls will be done under a Liberal Gov't.

      This type of lessening of free speech is not the mandate of any Conservative platform, Conservatives are for Free Speech, increased crime legislation protecting the innocent victims of crime and putting criminals behind bars, keeping corp. taxes at a low enough rate so that corps. stay in Canada create business and jobs for Cdns.

      The monitoring of our conversations will be done by new powers given to the CHRC that will be given to it by a Liberal Govt. NOT THE CONSERVATIVES!!!!

    • HJD

      Peter Hillier, you are factually incorrect.

      Having been a formal respondant to Liberal lawful access efforts I can factually tell you that those bills/consultations did NOT lift the requirement for warrants when providing customer information or authorizations. Those are BRAND NEW changes that the Conservative party has ushered in. The Conservative proposal goes considerably further, and lacks some of the nuance, of the Liberal bill. Both bills are unwelcome but the failure to even keep lawful access within the scope of the existing warrant and search apparatus is a tremendous step backwards. I can also say that the Liberal effort saw far more public scrutiny and consultation. The Conserative bill has by contrast has been introduced more quietly and with less opportunity to correct its flaws.

      Seriously, be more careful next time. Some of us have been on this issue for real and know that the Conservative take puts us in far more jeopardy.

    • Edward

      they ALL have the choice to say "No" to this, Lib. or Con. That the Cons. have had 5 years to bury it and haven't speaks volumes of their intentions.

  • Leo

    Canada’s privacy commissioner, Jennifer Stoddart has been a champion in this area – globally. My bets are on her.

    As far as Harper pushing crime bills through within 100 days – that was a sound byte for the base. Just like Layton promising he will have all his promises up and running within 100 days.

    • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

      Stoddart spent the past three years wringing her hands over Facebook nonsense. Anyone who thinks FB's privacy settings – or lack thereof – are worthy of government oversight clearly has no hope in hell of accomplishing anything worth while. Your "bets" won't change that.

    • Ethan Hines

      I wouldn't put it past him he did however push those bills thought in an omnibus before.

  • pulex

    I care

  • BGLong

    I believe you can lay this at the feet of our perceived need to accommodate the wishes
    of the US security state … which few people, other than maybe Glenn Greenwald, are
    talking about. Bush and Cheney fed and watered it but The Great Liberal President has
    been quite happy to extend and expand it.

  • A_logician

    It is naive to think that CSIS or CSEC do not already have adequate (if illegal) access to all of the personal information listed. Whether they have this access with the co-operation of ISPs or without it is an interesting question. Police forces and other enforcement agencies are perhaps less willing (and typically less able) to access the information without both co-operation and legal backing.

    A larger danger is whether we have a government in power that is willing an able to use this kind of access for political purposes. When we, the citizens, suspect that the government can track us down and is willing to take action against us for expressing dissent, there is a chilling effect on public debate.

    Whether this situation is the case, I leave as an exercise for the reader.

    • TJCook

      "A larger danger is whether we have a government in power that is willing an able to use this kind of access for political purposes."

      Yup. Or we will in the future. Even if you love Stephen Harper and trust him with this power, it's just a matter of time before there's somebody in charge that you don't trust.

      • Peter

        Exactly. Today you might get tracked down and harassed for posting a video showing a violent police takedown.

        Tomorrow you get tracked down and harassed because you don't believe in global warming, or use violent language when describing abortion rights, or feminism, or race-based policing.

    • Mike T.

      If I recall correctly, the push for the bill came about because after the first few times ISPs realized they shouldn't be handing out personal information upon mere request by law enforcement.

    • jmw

      Similar to the long form census, no? or perhaps Vote Compass on CBC? We give information all the time and have no idea who or what will have access to it and how the information will be used.
      Issues like terrorist communication, identity theft, human traffickking are all areas where the criminals have better technology than the police.

  • TimesArrow

    It's being pushed forward by public safety – the bureaucracy!

    Ah well, that's it then. Absolutely zero opportunity for a sitting govt to exercise its perogative to push back on our behalf. Plenty of opportunity on the other hand to not accept accountability. Wonder what would ever lead me to that cynical conclusion?

  • Leo

    Long-gun registry??? :-P Ooops – that wasn't 'buried.

  • Olivier

    It's an awful bill but pegging this on the back of the CPC is wrong.

    It's the US that pushing for things like these, and no matter who is in power, they have to comply.

    • Thwim

      Funny, I don't remember seeing the stars & stripes on the Parliament building lately.

    • SamDavies

      Or they could…. you know… have some balls, and….. you know….. stand up for our rights and freedoms.

    • Andrew (not PorC)

      That's absolute bunk. Canada can require police to seek warrants for this kind of information regardless of what other jurisdictions do.

    • Peter

      Bah, who cares right? It's like Bouchard said, Canada's nor a real country anyway.

    • Chrissssss

      It's also the EU. They've had similar legislation for much longer than the US and you can bet it's part of the suite of demands being made in order to enter into the trade agreement with them. Indeed, they're pretty open about these demands (harmonizing our own access and privacy regimes with their own).

    • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

      The US does all kinds of retarded things. We don't always need to go along. I'm not saying I've made up my mind about his issue. But "the US wants us to" is not a reason to do something.

  • Thwim

    So is he lying or not? Does he intend to do this, or not? Simple yes or no question.

  • sourstud

    I get all of that, I really do. And it doesn't exactly please me, I just don't find that it bothers me much at all. I'm much more concerned about systematic public video surveillance and satellite surveillance, for example. *adjusts tin-foil hat* And I'm also a firm believer that if the government can legally do something, they might as well do it efficiently and have a framework for how the whole system is supposed to work, what's legal what's not.

    How many people here would object if the census required high-speed internet users to put in their static IP? Or CRA demanded to know the domain-names of any revenue generating websites a company owned? I'm guessing not too many.

    Update:Whoops. That was supposed to be to Jesse above.

    • Mike T.

      they might as well do it efficiently and have a framework for how the whole system is supposed to work, what's legal what's not.

      ***

      You can accomplish this while still being far better than the law as proposed.

  • JSC

    The up-side of all this is… all these new prisons can become our future Government paid Retirement Homes for all us out here with opinions that someone someday won’t like. :)

    • Mau

      that ALREADY exists right now in US, the CIA/NSA/DoD is using 21st century version of nazi concentration camps-namely electromagnetic concentration camps w/directed energy weapons and MK-ULTRA (which canadians should be familiar with) illegal testing on UNWILLING US citizens and worldwide. Go to youtube.com or google these terms to see exactly what is going on in right now–the biggest human rights abuses that are being carried out in plain sight.
      directed energy weapons, remote neural monitoring, v2k, mk-ultra, CIA's mind control, organized gang stalking…Orwell was wrong on the date but SPOT on the methods and tactics!

  • prescott

    Fear of a return of the death penalty

    The Gazette April 14, 2011 12:00 AM

    The media, including The Gazette, missed the most important point raised during the first debate, that of Stephen Harper's stated support for the death penalty. This was brought up by Gilles Duceppe as a probable issue in a Conservative majority government, yet the point bypassed Ignatieff and Layton.

    In fact, it is inconceivable that bringing back the death penalty will not be considered by a Conservative majority in its efforts to remake Canada in its own image, even though this is an issue it dares not bring up at the moment.

    Praemonitus praemunitus – forewarned is forearmed.

    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/Fear+return+death+…

    • Guest

      You idiot, the death penalty should be re-instated for serial killers, those type of horrendous crimes, why should taxpayers pay to have these evil demons/monstors stay alive in Prison!!! Are you out of your mind, not to have it for horrendous 1st degree murder crimes…..Your an idiot to think otherwise!!!!

  • http://www.jeffbursey.com Jeff Bursey

    He's a citizen of Canada, and has every right to voice an opinion, as do you. What more do you need to know?

    Jeff Bursey,
    author of _Verbatim: A Novel_,
    a parliamentary satire

  • ABHarperRegime

    Dictatorship with minority!

    Majority?! LOL! can you imagine the Harper regime with a majority government?! SCARY!.

  • albert

    Good gawd.
    Harpers stasi have been heavily engaged in exactly this from day one. (how do you think they nabbed that college girl with only one photo?)

    • Margaret

      Harper SS. Ve haff vays of makink you talk.

    • Claudia Lemire

      She registered to the rally thru her Facebook account.

    • Guest

      U Liberal sucking idiot, monitoring speech not born under Conservatives, its not a conservative platform to limit free speech, this proposed legislation born under the Liberals and will be enacted by the use of the new found powers that the CHRC will be given under a Liberal Gov't. Incidently, 25 yrs or more ago, the CHRC was created by Liberal Gov't.

    • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29529380865 luke charchuk

      i don't understand why we can't use this system to monitor the government and find out where our $60 billion deficit went?

  • http://www.tokentools.com.au/category2_1.htm Welder

    Reminds me of Michelle Focaults panopticon

    • Steve DeLong

      Very astute observation.

  • James

    Harper is trying to "legislate" access … but it can NEVER be LAWFUL! Privacy is a right, NOT a privilege! Beware of Iggy, the Libs and the NDP as well. And that college girl should find a way to press charges! Enough is enough!

    • Guest

      Monitoring the internet, phone calls writing in to magazines, or magazine articles or writing in to the editorial section of newspapers and expressing your opinions on issues, its the Liberals that will do this via the CHRC. & NOT the RCMP!!!! Get yur facts straight all U Liberal supporting or commy NDP Jacko Wacko free lunch people!!!!

    • Mau

      Not if you live in US. THERE IS no PRIVACY on internet. You might as well accept that. BIG brother, his sister, his mother and step-father are ALL watching ALL of us 24/7.

      • anonymous

        There's more open wifi everywhere than ever before, there's bazillions of proxies, there's thousands of Virtual Private Networks you can join for free or buy into (bazilliions more just waiting for privacy to become a popular issue – think of the profits there!) there's anonymous protocols like P4P, anonymous networks like TOR, there's a bazillions new places created every day where you can post comments, pictures, even video anonymously, there's powerful human rights groups building networks and software for free speech, there's countries and courts re-affirming the right to anonymity every day, there's our privacy commissioner saying all Canadians should be using anonymizing services, there's new technologies all the time..pay cash for a tablet and sim card…
        The ONLY people who say that you can't hide online are the cops, hoping you believe it, and some fools do.

  • S.M.

    Download Hotspot Shield and make all your stuff look like it comes from somewhere else! And use a fake name! F THEM!

    • mack

      hmm. ya I don't want hotspot shield to watch me either…..

      • anonymous

        That`s why you should always use TWO anonymizing services at the same time, so neither one can see what you`re really doing, and know who you really are, at the same time.

  • James

    I am disgusted by the sheer number of Canadians who are happy to be absolute wimps as far as government is concerned! You have been divided and you have been conquered! Most Canadians should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen to our country!

  • http://www.myspace.com/djball1 DJBALL

    Herr Harper is becoming cartoon-like in his attempt at dismantling Canadian freedom and sovereignty.
    His amateur low class Ad campaign ,where he wraps himself in the flag, is instant chuckles when juxtaposed with reality.

    • Proud Canadian

      It's a copy of a Republican Ad. They told him to do it!

  • Crying for Democracy

    Express the politically incorrect view and you may face disclosure. Say you are part of the legal system and disclose possible wrongdoing in the legal system. Say goodbye to your career. Say you plan to sell huge stock holdings and a snoop tips other off so they can do some insider trading. Perhaps your company is going to fail. These and many other scenarios will follow this planned travesty. Some people would love to know who this author is who questions Harper's regime. Welcome to the Canadian Stazi State!

    • Freedom

      Canada has serious credibility issues in combating corruption – this erodes freedom – democracy and costs all of us huge$$$ Our soldiers do not die in far off lands for lesser people to erode our country – either you are part of the solution or you are the problem.

  • Freedom

    It’s all about freedom Canada – It is high time we take it back, if we ever have had it – frankly I find it scary that our security services must spy on everyone – It shows a complete lack of intelligence pardon the pun – If they don’t know who to go after – then they are derelict and do not deserve their large budgets – Canada is an over policed state – you would be forgiven for thinking the Taliban is lurking around the corner – each police officer costs 6 average citizens all the tax they pay in a year – good value – no way – This is affront to freedom and democracy. Mind you freedom demands responsibility – our officers should not have to deal with drunken bums and dysfunctional fools – Computer crime has been made worse because our governments and law enforcement require sub standard security so they can spy on everyone – this naturally gives way to substantially more crime and an excuse to ask for more tax dollars’ and cry about safety and security – what has happened to common sense?.

    • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29529380865 luke charchuk

      go to canadians against stephen harper on facebook to post your views

  • Steve DeLong

    Welder mentioned Michel Foucault's Panopticon in a post above. It may seemed clished, but George Orwell's 1984 also comes to mind here. It's simply unbelievable that we would be debating the "merits" of this odius proposal. With the time remaining in this federal election, I believe Canadian's attention must become focused on The Harper Guvment's flirtation with the creation of a Police State in this great nation. I am sickened by this. Totally sickened.

    • Guest

      UR wrong, monitoring the internet is and was created by Liberals and liberal gov't will give the CHRC new powers to monitor our speech, on internet, phone calls, writing in to editorials of newspapers, magazines. The CHRC was created by Liberal Gov't. more than 25 yrs. ago.

  • Crying for Democracy

    Let everyone concerned about this sorry situation do their best to make this an election issue. Fire off letters to media and politicians. If you do not your rights will be trampled. Next thing you know we may all be required to carry a national identification card as is the case in some repressive regimes with a penalty attached for not having it if questioned by authorites. Maybe I should not have stated this as it might give our "Regime" ideas including a processing fee which it could squander on some kangeroo committee.

    • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29529380865 luke charchuk

      tell everyone you know to get out and vote NOT harper

  • jay

    The CHRC has tabled a document that is ready to be brought to parliament if the Liberals get in. the CHRC wants to increase the power of censoring the nation, by monitoring internet conversations, telephone calls, ur talking to a friend/relative and say something like those damn people blah….blah….blah…. and you could be charged; it won't be the RCMP monitoring yur conversations but the CHRC. Don't vote Liberal if you want your freedom of speech lessened to quite a degree.
    The other thing the Liberals want to bring in the carbon tax that caused the downfall of Dion.

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