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'Nothing more than a smear campaign'

by Aaron Wherry on Friday, April 29, 2011 10:26pm - 491 Comments

This evening, Olivia Chow, the NDP MP and wife of Jack Layton, has released the following statement in response to a story aired by Sun media.

Sixteen years ago, my husband went for a massage at a massage clinic that is registered with the City of Toronto. He exercises regularly; he was and remains in great shape; and he needed a massage. I knew about this appointment, as I always do.  

No one was more surprised than my husband when the police informed him of allegations of potential wrong doing at this establishment. He told me about the incident after it happened. Any insinuation of wrongdoing on the part of my husband is completely and utterly false, which is why after 16 years and 8 election campaigns that my husband has campaigned in, this has never been an issue.    

In the last hours of this election, this is nothing more than a smear campaign in an attempt to question my husband’s character. This is another reason why politics in this country need to change and on Monday, Canadians will have their chance to do just that.   

Lawyers for the NDP sent a letter to Sun media, which reads as follows.

We are the solicitors for the New Democratic Party of Canada.

Our client has obtained information that one or more of your newspapers is considering running a story for tomorrow’s edition that makes allegations about events in 1996 involving Jack Layton, Leader of our client. 

The facts are that Mr. Layton had obtained a massage from a massage therapist, but had no knowledge whatsoever that the therapist’s location may have been used for illicit purposes. He does recall being advised by the police at the time that he did nothing wrong, but that the location was questionable, and to be stayed away from. Mr. Layton gave the officer his name and address, and nothing further happened. 

Any statement or inference that Mr. Layton’s actions or behaviour was other than the facts stated above would be without any factual basis, would clearly made with malice, and ought not to be published.

In fact, it would be irresponsible in the extreme for any such story to be printed.

Damages, as you will appreciate, would be very significant.

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  • Jenahlin

    Every piece of BS against Harper and Iggy are ok right.?
    Just dont answer why Jack didn't tell the cops why he was naked.

  • Crit_Reasoning

    Jon Kay of the National Post has a very interesting revelation on Twitter:

    For those who care, someone tried to shop me the Layton-massage story 2 yrs ago (without docs). It was a Liberal fixer.

    Could have been Tories pushing the Layton-massage story this time. I dont know. But last time around, it was the Lib back office

    I didnt bite because the source wasnt talking, and I couldnt get the cop's notebook through access-to-info, so I dropped it.

    And I mention this only because the leak itself has become the story — with many folks unfairly assuming it must have been CPC.

    Didnt pursue it because (a) source wasnt talking at the time, (b) my access-to-info request for the necessary docs was denied.

    Hmmm…

    • stewacide

      Those pretending any other media outfit wouldn't run with this story if presented with all the pieces (as Sun was) are dreaming. Conspiracy theories about the timing a similarly unfounded: the Sun reporter involved said the timing hinged on the police source (who almost certainly doesn't like Jack, but again that's his prerogative not Suns)

      • Mr Irrelevant

        Absolutely. Sun has been the centre of the news for the past day. Any news source would take that if their story was credible, and it is. Note that Kay did not say his refusal to pursue the story was because it wasn't a valid story, just that it wasn't sourced properly. All parties acknowledge that Jack was found naked in a massage parlor when the cops raided it and questioned him. What you make of that info is up to you.

    • stewacide
  • Mr Irrelevant

    Well I would never vote for him but this story would make me tell the pollsters that Jack is the leader I’d most want to have a beer with.

  • catherine

    My initial reaction to this was so what, but as more information comes out, perhaps there are some issues to be addressed. Toronto councillor Mammoliti claims it was well known from the time it opened in 1994 that the Velvet Touch Massage was a bawdy house and that police were targetting places like that because of concerns of using underage girls from Thailand. Drugs and organized crime are also mentioned. Maybe Layton wasn't involved in any of this, but certainly that is the concern with places like this – are children and/or women being exploited and abused.

    On one hand, I don't think anything legal and consensual is anyone's business at all, but this story seems on the edge of issues that are people's business. I don't find Layton's "didn't know" plausible – unless a lot of news outlets are just repeating falsehoods. Given Layton's lawyers threat of legal action, I think they must have sources to back up what they are reporting. Or is that naive?

    • http://halooverride.blogspot.com/ Halo_Override

      Reasonable argument, though Mammoliti's kind of a weird bird to be relying on for testimony.

  • http://halooverride.blogspot.com/ Halo_Override

    Happy to add some substance from the real world as it exists. But I feel low because of the technical problems with posting the picture, so I'm gonna go drown my sorrows in some Chalet BBQ. (Just tryin' to make some ex-Montrealers jealous.)

    • Richard_S_Argent

      The worst part about moving on out to the West Side (High Park) is the utter lack of decent churrasqueiras in the area – sometimes a man just needs some Portuguese chicken with those potato balls smothered in piri piri :)

      mmm….piri piri…

      cheers!

  • Zach Swan

    'Nothing more than a smear campaign' – interesting choice of words considering the real smear was the one that was 'wiped up with a kleenex discovered in the hands of the known sex trade worker when the cops busted in and found Jack pointing at the sky. The other smear is that every NDP supporter out there seems to be blaming the Liberal Party for planting this story. Give it a rest. Liberals are more interested in the issues not 16 year old news.

    • Holly Stick

      Unless you have evidence that she was a "known sex trade worker" you are lying about that and other things. And hey, genius, they use kleenex to wipe off massage oil too.

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    Dredging up a 16 year old incident is off limits? Well then, Harper must be very relieved he will no longer have his 1997 speeches as president of the NCC thrown back at him. Oh wait, that's only 14 years old. Practically yesterday.

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    What with Lorraine Montange calling anglos "gutless scumbags", and Chet asserting that Jack Layton was cavorting with underage prostitutes, my respect for many of my fellow commenters has hit a new all time low. And trust me, it was never all that high to begin with. Some of you should seriously take some time off posting. That's what I do when I start posting retarded things. I know, I know…. all my posts are retarded. But I mean really retarded… if they get really, really really retarded, I take a hiatus from posting. For a few weeks, or even a few months. Then I come back refreshed and ready to resume my usual level of incoherence. I highly recommend some of you do the same.

    • hosertohoosier

      I've done that as well, and think it is excellent advice. I highly recommend leech-blocker (for firefox) or net nanny (for google chrome) for fighting the urge to post my inane opinions. They can be disabled, but the additional time it takes to do so gives me pause to consider whether I really want to go back.

      • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

        Indeed. I think another vacation is in the works for me.

  • Myron

    I had no idea that smoke and mirrors journalism could be such fun. Let's talk about Gareth Llewellyn now and who he swears he works for. That's right, just for fun, anyone can do it – enter, Gareth Llewellyn Harper CSIS.

  • modster99

    I don't know if this story had anything to do with it (I don't personally think it did), but these latest seat predictions seem to suggest that things are changing.
    http://www.electionalmanac.com/canada/projections…

  • LdKitchenersOwn

    The question is, will this be enough to push the NDP over the edge and get them a minority government?

    I mean, seriously. Do the idiots at SunTV not realize that this kind of blatant, flimsy, not even very scandalous if he'd been doing what they're trying to fool you in to thinking he was doing smear job will probably push more voters to vote FOR the NDP than against them???

    The only thing this story tells me about Jack Layton is that he's doing even better than I thought he was, and some people are starting to panic. Expect to see Donald Trump on SunTV any moment now demanding to see Layton's birth certificate.

  • s_c_f

    According to Coyne on twitter, Layton being caught naked in a whorehouse by a cop is not newsworthy. He decided to slag Sun News for daring to report the story. I'm a little skeptical that the public sees it that way. Maybe some people don't care much about prostitution one way or the other, but I'm pretty sure the story would have come out a long time ago if it were a Liberal or Conservative.

  • Anon

    The story would have come out long ago no matter f**king what if it'd had any ounce of truth to it.

  • LdKitchenersOwn

    Why single out Coyne? Every single journalist I've seen tweet about this is slagging Sun over it. Hell, they're collectively rolling around laughing about it as far as I've seen. Coyne himself seems to have found out about it when people on twitter started mocking SunTV about it and he asked what was up.

  • Cats

    If I read Coyne's twitter feed right it says he KNEW about the story already. Months ago. And ignored it!

    Coyne is a very plugged in Liberal.

    His sister ran against Jack Layton in a previous election. His niece is Trudeau's daughter for goodness sakes!

    I think its clear that the Liberals have been trying to leak this story for awhile now.

    Try to muscle out Jack Layton, unite the left, and sweep to victory.

    I'm surprised people think this is coming from the CPC.

    Surprise! Cats! We're voting! Young people are voting! Surprise! Vote mobs !!

  • Ethos

    Only a week a go I could feel a palpable sense of glee radiating from the texts of many CPC suppourters on this site… Now every word radiates fear and desperation.

    I'd be lying if I said I don't get a certain sense of satisfaction from it. It is almost worth a NDP minority. It was funny when the Liberals saw their dreams dashed, but this is better still.

  • MTB

    Oh s_c_f, if only you knew how routinely these things happen with politicians of all stripes. The media don't report them because there's usually no evidence of wrongdoing and to do so would get you sued. …as Sun may be about to find out. And frankly, who even cares if politicians are getting a little action on the side? If only Conservatives were so keen on transparency when it came to the job we elect them for.

  • s_c_f

    The truth is undisputed. It's been reported by the Star, the Sun, and Layton's wife Olivia Chow has come out and confirmed it happened. I suppose he may have just been naked in the wrong place at the wrong time, he wasn't actually caught in an illegal act.

  • Nolan

    It was confirmed that he went to a licensed massage parlour. Not even Sun mentioned whorehouses. The story confirmed is that Jack Layton got a massage 16 years ago.

  • SanDiegoDave

    Nope, you're smarter than this Chet. It's disgraceful, period. Stop defending this behaviour. Take a stand for decency. There were no charges, no wrong doing, no nothing. It's a smear and it's wrong.

    Period.

    Black and white.

  • Cats

    At 9.30 at night you'd go to a shady second floor apartment, strip naked, for a "massage" ?

    Even if nothing happened and that soiled kleenex just had snot on it doesn't it still show a shocking lack of judgement for a politician ? For a potential PM ?

    2 weeks after massive raids ? Going to a known bawdy house ? Seriously ?

    In the US the mob would have had a girl jump on top of him and snap a photo before he knew what was happening. I'm guess the triads are the same way.

    Then its extortion all the way.

    Dissapointed, puzzled, maybe disgusted Cats ??

  • Andre

    The only other possibility is that what Olivia Chow heard was a very faint rumor and that she knew beating Sun Media to the charge would do just what you described.

  • http://www.GenuineThriving.com/author/JeremiahStanghini/ Jeremiah Stanghini

    You raise some interesting points.

    I would have to agree that Layton must be doing "that well" that some are starting to panic and actually feel threatened by him.

    And more than that… I think that you're right — this will actually catalyze more votes FOR the NDP than it will against.

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jeremiah

  • Jenahlin

    Once again we want to divert fronm what Jack did and shoot the messenger.
    You people must be paid to write this stuff.
    No reasonable person would ignore what the guy did, and attack the messenger.

  • Cats

    Coyne knew about this ahead of time ? Am I reading that right ?

    Coyne is very connected to Liberals. Mario Silva was on city council with Jack. Liberals are about to lose lots of downtown ridings to the NDP.

    I think we know who's been trying to float this story. LIBERALS!

    Will it backfire Cats ??

  • shouldIsellyourwheat

    But most of the same media did not have trouble with the Toronto Star's fabricated "busty hookers".

    Or with all the gratuitous pictures of Carson's girlfriend, which were irrelevant to that story.

  • Patchouli

    They called it a "bawdy house." I think that's the same thing.

  • Holly Stick
  • Margaret

    That was a massage parlour that was also known to deliver sexual acts. He was there at night, in a bedroom. The usual practise in those massage/bawdy houses is to give masturbation/hand job along with the massage for an extra fee. If he'd been caught in flagrante, instead of just on the bed, he would have been charged. A lot of chauvinism in Canada that this is dismissed, yet other politicians like ignatieff smeared into the ground for being a professor at harvard – disgusting.

  • chet

    Doesn't a "smear" have to at least be…oh…I dunno…untrue?

  • Cats

    "Soiled Kleenex" is the new "Busty Hookers".

    Can I just ask you, even if you have nothing against guys getting a rub and tug happy ending, do you honeslty believe on a personal level that nothing sexual took place ?

    Just your personal opinion. I know nothing is been proven either way. There's a lot of circumstancial evidence. Nothing about this seems fishy to you ?

    Be honest, reasonable, and non-partisan when you answer please.

    Mice day

  • LdKitchenersOwn

    How did my explaining that Coyne found out about the Sun story when people started tweeting about it suggest that he "knew about this ahead of time"??? Does Coyne even own a DeLorean?

    I don't disagree that this could have been "leaked" by the Liberals, my understanding is that plenty of people in Toronto knew this story. The reason no one ever talked about it in the press is because WHY WOULD THEY?

  • Margaret

    Oh come on!! The police said that this story was common knowledge in police circles in Toronto – for years. They also said it was known that Layton was anti-police, and the police disliked him because of it.

    It could have been the police, or it could have been Rob Ford – to help out Harper. It could have been anyone. Probably the cop who originally wrote the details down.

  • LdKitchenersOwn

    My understanding is that ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE knew this story, much longer ago than months ago. I'm pretty sure that it never made headlines before today because no one but SunTV thought that "Jack Layton had a massage 16 years ago and had to talk to a cop about it" was "news".

  • Margaret

    Reaching. The police didn't like him.

  • Cats

    Sorry I don't know twitter very well. I'm on his page and it says this:

    @glen_mcgregor … I guess I'll never make it as a reporter cause I just kinda forgot about it
    2 hours ago

    Which is in response to him asking what ppl would do if they got this tip.

    So is Coyne saying he got this tip awhile ago and kinda just forgot about it ?

    Cats ?

  • Holly Stick

    Coyne had the best tweet about it:
    http://twitter.com/#!/acoyne/status/6413588301153…

  • Thwim

    Reading's not his strong suit.. only slightly better than his comprehension.

  • Jenahlin

    Maybe because it's news. You know, like all the bs they report about Harper and Iggy

  • Cats

    Or because up until now Jack Layton hasn't been close to becoming PM ?

    Sorry but I find it newsworthy to know about Jack's character.

    Getting naked in a known bawdy house at 9.30 at night on the second floor of a dingy private apartment ? You're just asking for trouble, even if you are 100% innocent.

    Let the voters decide, just report the facts, not your job to filter or protect the public from info. More info the better! CATS!

  • s_c_f

    One thing is for sure: the media went on a rampage about whether Harper pocketed a communion wafer. I'm absolutely certain that if a Conservative were caught naked in a whorehouse/bawdy house/massage parlor/whatever, then it would have been plastered all over the news for weeks, regardless of whether the story might stick with the public or not.

  • Andre

    You were a regular customer as well? Seems weird that you know so much detail about the place.

  • Margaret

    Exactly. I really wonder about his character after this. Who was this masseur? Where did she come from? Why was she working there – what was her training, and was she a legal immigrant?

    Just for starters. Then we can get onto his attitude about women in general.

  • criselis

    So Cat, you think the Mob is backing/causing the surge for Jack so they can blackmail him when he's Prime Minister? This needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

  • Cats

    The Liberals and the BQ are about to get crushed.

    The CPC couldn't be happier. Right now we're focued on riding the vote splits, getting out the vote, and winning that majority by micro-targeting winabble ethnic ridings.

    Serious Cats

  • Anonymouse

    Is it so uncommon to be naked for a massage? My wife does when she goes for hers… Seems to be the way it is done, no?

    All the same, the Sun had better be prepared to defend this in court. You note in the article they never infer anything. Every detail is supplied by the (anonymous) ex-cop. So they will fall back on just reporting what they had reason to believe was true – which is why (I guess) the NDP lawyer is alleging malice and not libel?

  • Cats

    Yeah ? All of this is already out there ? So what.

    Emily was making it sound like there was new stuff. If there was we'd already know.

    Facts Cats.

  • Cats

    The police notes were obtained by Sun.

    Jack is either clueless with really bad judgement or he was taking advantage of a young woman.

    This story matters.

    Matters Cats

  • chet

    "Is is so uncommon to be naked for a massage"?

    In a bawdy house?

    Being stormed by police for engaging in underage prostituttion?

    One that advertises "shiatsu" massages (urban dictionary for "hand job")?

    I'm sure its fairly common…in…ahem…certain neighborhoods.

  • Cats

    Yeah the media criticism on here tonight is very, very rich.

    Hypocrites much ?

  • Wasn't said girlfriend getting a plum contract offer or some such through him? Not quite irrelevant, right?

  • Anonymouse

    So you know which registered massage parlours are bawdy houses? Good for you.

    By the way, he was in a "suspected" bawdy house. You better believe if they had managed to shut it down, that owuld have been in the article. Maybe the police were wrong, eh?

    Here are the actual facts from the article:

    Jack Layton got a massage from a mid-20's woman in a massage parlour that the police suspected was a bawdy house, but turned out not to be, as they did not press any charges.

    Is that summary incorrect?

  • Jenn_

    You'd actually have to know it was a known bawdy house.

    So, this esthetics and massage outfit moved in next door at work. Ooh, I thought, I can get a facial during lunch! So I went over and talked to the woman there. (I thought she was wearing a very short dress, but I'm not a fashionista, so what do I know.) "Do you do facials?" Asked I. "No, not just now, although we hope to offer that soon" said she. Glancing down at the appointment book, I was pleasantly surprised to find it filled with mostly men. Actually, I didn't see anything but men's names, but I only caught a brief glance. Returning to my own office, I loudly complained, "What kind of asthetics place doesn't do facials?" It was only when the lawyer landlord put the notice on the door for breach of terms of use of the space, that I clued in.

    It's not that I'm so naive that I don't know what goes on, I just don't expect it where I am!

  • Sally

    "Sorry but I find it newsworthy to know about Jack's character"

    You're obviously still in the early stages of developing any character. I can see why more research is necessary.

  • http://idrinkinthemorning.com Rick Omen

    Exactly.

  • frobisher

    "Is it so uncommon to be naked for a massage?"

    Apparently so. Real Canadians® wear a 'Canada' jacket, tube socks and proper, starched y-fronts. Even the men.

  • Guest

    He's a sleaze bag and a hypocrite-he has been since he was on Toronto council using limousines and living in subsidized housing.

    P.S. Keep an eye on your wife and her "massages".

  • Cats

    This place was part of a city wide raid just 2 weeks prior. Layton worked on these issues as a councillor. It was all over the news.

    You'd think it would at least come to mind eh ? Given his work on the issues, the 200 arrests, the big news, and all that jazz ?

    K Cats ?

  • Cats

    200 arrests were made city wide just 2 weeks prior.

    The police were following up by returning to that location.

    IT was well publicized and well known that these places involved prostitution.

    At the very least Layton showed shockingly bad judgement, at the very most he took advantage of a very vulnerable young woman.

    Disgusted and dissapointed Cats

  • Anonymouse

    Did the police arrest anyone here? Did they charge the massage parlour? Was Layton with an underage woman? Had they made 200 arrests at this massage parlour or at different ones in the area?

    Please provide proof. As I say above the facts are clear. He got a massage. The police showed up. They turned out (apparently) to be wrong about what was going on. And the police are apparently chicken/bullies because they would libel someone without giving their name.

    Very professional cops by the way to give their notes over to the press. I wonder if this ex-cop was jealous of the ones who got G-20 duty

  • Zoe

    Wait, a vulnerable young woman? I'm not far off from 25 and don't consider myself a young woman. I worked as a masseuse and I was NEVER "vulnerable." It sounds like the same old paternalistic crap from the CPC…

  • Holly Stick

    What other sleazy things has Harper done with the advice of his policy advisor the convicted thief? How much more taxpayers' money have the Conservatives stolen and misused?

  • MTB

    Well Geez, there was a cop there. They took Layton's details. They never pressed charges. You'd think if there was any evidence they might've done that.

  • Cats

    Stolen ?

    I think you're getting confused. It was the Liberals. People went to jail. Millions are still missing.

    Its why nobody in Quebec votes Liberal anymore, k ?

    Cats!

  • Cats

    The NDP already had the pro-prostitution vote in the bag.

    The family vote ? Not so much anymore.

    Victory Cats!

  • frobisher

    Mr. J. Fantino will surely have something assuring and soothing to say about all this. When they find him. He will certainly have some stern words regarding an anonymous ex-policeman and others using the "law as a political weapon". Won't he?

  • Cats

    In the police notes it describes a Red/Green lighting system used in brothels.

    The light is switched from Green to Red when cops show up. Green means sex is a go, Red means stop.

    Read the actual story. Cats!

  • modster99

    Because Jack wasn't charged did not mean the police were wrong. The fact that he was a politician might have worked in his favor, as they would only proceeded if he had been caught red handed (ouch), or with an underage girl. . .

  • noob_goldberg

    I was wondering who the anonymous retired cop might have been.

  • Jenn_

    Maybe, but I can't see a city councillor getting so close to this news that he'd know the address or anything. I mean, its probably a 'good, the police raided another one' and then forget all about it. A city councillor doesn't oversee every raid the police force does, after all. Unless you have some reason to think Layton took particular attention of this particular bawdy house raid? I haven't seen anything to support that assertion, I mean.

    But then, I don't care if he WAS at a known bawdy house for the purpose of doing what you do at a known bawdy house. The only point of concern would be the slave labour possibility. That would concern me, but would a client of a known bawdy house know the hired help wasn't 'hired' as it were?

  • guest

    Yup, the Cons and their public safety minister got that family vote all wrapped up.

  • Jan

    I thought Harper got the pro-prostitution vote with his good buddy Carson. Escorts dining with cabinet ministers has really has really taken away the stifma. don't you think Cats?

  • Thwim

    Good to see you acknowledge who's paying you finally.

  • SanDiegoDave

    Huh- so you are a CPC member. Interesting.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  • john g

    Hmm…Jack says he was just getting a "shiatsu".

    Jack's an urban politician, must know the lingo…I wonder if Urban Dictionary has any entries for shiatsu?

    Yikes…

  • Holly Stick
  • Peter

    my Lexus can give me a Shiatsu as a drive. that means nothing.

    The correct terms for things like this on "the street" are easily found on far less reputable boards than this one, if you care to search around. "Shiatsu" isn't one of them.

  • Holly Stick
  • hosertohoosier

    For the sake of argument, though, one does have to wonder why Layton picked this particular massage parlour. Since he was there at 9:30, presumably he went there from his house. Google maps displays the nearest massage places to Jack Layton's house (he lived in the Hazelburn Coop). Just google: "Massage near 178 Jarvis Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada"

    Just two blocks away, there is the massage therapy centre. Moving west until Bathurst (787 Dundas West is near Dundas and Bathurst) from Layton's home, sticking between Queen and College there are at least 40 dots on the google search (and more, if you travel an equal distance east). So it does seem odd that Layton avoided the multitude of closer choices.

    Secondly, one might wonder why, of all the choices available, Layton happened to pick a massage parlour that exclusively employed young, Asian women.

  • Truthy

    If you think that getting a h**djob is worse than misleading parliament, silencing civil servants, bullying arms-length agencies, signing on to untold jet costs, smearing political opponents in a McCarthyistic way, shutting down information to the press, etc etc etc…. then you have crazy ethics.

  • Peter

    You're clearly mentally unbalanced.

  • Proud Canadian

    the police notes say 'suspected john' they do not say John or Jack layton. They could have been written by anyone and most likly were written by Fox themselves. Who is this policeman that had these notes 16 years later? He retired 11 years ogo or at least they say he 'retired' but who knows the truth? Who knows if he even exists?
    I posted on here a few days ago that the Fox news planted story about Ignatieff in Iraq was so Fox could look credible in future smears and…here ya go Canada.
    I say the panic is on, Jack got a massage and the religeous righteous right is outraged! Crime is OK with them, contempt of parliament is OK, 50 million to their friend Tony is OK, one billion on G8 is Ok but wait a minute.. he went to a massage parlor! Unacceptable!

  • Peter

    And yet, the rumours of Laureen having an affair with a female RCMP officer stay strangely off the front pages….. I guess your rights, the MSM is biased against the Conservatives.

  • Margaret

    I heard that from a hairdresser in Edmonton. I had already heard that they were separated, that she was having an affair with a bodyguard – and didn't believe it. This just sounds too preposterous to be true. I'm not a Harper fan, but find it just crazy.

  • Proud Canadian

    Fox is not/did not report the gay relationship rumor about Maureen? They hate gay people, well actually they hate all people… except conservatives.

  • Sorry, where did it say Layton was anti-police? Source please

  • Proud Canadian

    liberals were not the only politicians that stole money, remember Mulrony anyone? Fox News North is here to stay and we can thank Harper for that. I watched them yesterday and it was disgusting…so…back to our Ottawa bureau…what are you hearing? Well I'm hearing that John, thats his real name, was caught in a Bawdy house now over to our Toronto bureau…what are you hearing? Well I'm hearing that John, thats his real name, was caught in a Bawdy house now over to our Calgary bureau…what are you hearing? Well I heard the same thing…now lets bring in our expert panel… Jack layton got a massage and it took us 16 years to get a hard on! lol

  • criselis

    You win the coffee on the keyboard award. You question Layton's attitude about women? What about Harper's record when it comes to women's issues. Who took equality out of the status of women?

  • Mummer2

    Apparently the Carson debacle is "OK" with them too..I really think this is going to backfire on them.

  • Mummer2

    jeeze…..it was mixed housing and Jack and Olivia paid the full price….check it out it's true……Every massage my sister has gone too she has been naked …it's just the way some do it…….Olivia made the appointment…….

    SO how do you feel about Carson and his escort in the PMO residance… partying?

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    Sorry Guest. THe housing co-op story was garbage from the beginning. A housing co-op means the higher-earners pay more and subsidize the lower earners also living there. It's a completely legal arrangement and completely above board. J & O were paying the upper end of the rent scale. Which means they were actually subsidizing other tenants, not the other way around. I'm a Con-tarded Con-bot by the way, so I have no vested interest in defending Layton.

  • Blue

    I suppose you have a right to spread slander about Mr. Harper if that is your style, —I take objection to you doing it under the banner of Proud Canadian.
    Maybe a change of style or an anon. name more suited to your style would be be appropriate.

  • Holly Stick

    And Carson's fiancees, while providing colourful icing on the cake, are less important than the other scandals such as Carson lobbying the federal government while working for the same government, and getting millions of taxpayers' money to provide free PR for filthy Big Oil instead of using it for clean energy research:
    http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/04/27/CarsonOilSands/

  • Holly Stick

    Much like them refusing to fund Kairos and instead sending money to rich mining companies:
    http://www.miningwatch.ca/en/cida-subsidizes-mini…
    http://rabble.ca/news/2010/10/did-kairos-defundin…

    This is a pattenr of behaviour by the Harper Conservatives which really needs to be talked about more.

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Your mom named you Blue, because your dad's family name is Blue? Big difference between the Québécois and the Canadians from other province. Read the comments here and note that overwhelmingly people post comments under their real name. Here's an example, at this organization's French-speaking cousin:
    http://www2.lactualite.com/chantal-hebert/2011-04…

    You anglos are such gutless scums. And my name is Loraine Lamontagne. I live in Mississauga. I have never felt that I should not freely express an opinion under my name. But now that I know that police officers can legally use the notes they take in the exercise of their duty to smear persons who haven't been accused of crime, I may reconsider.

  • Proud Canadian

    Hey Blue, I'm the Proud Canadian not Harper, He's a proud american! I take offence when a republican operative tries to steal my country. and even more offence when conbots blindly follow and support him.

  • Proud Canadian

    I wonder what Harper was doing in his office 'alone' late at night?

  • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

    You're making a lot of assumptions based solely on anonymous testimony from one person, a person who may or may not be politically motivated, recalling events 16 years after the fact. No charges were laid, either against Jack or anyone else at the establishment. Which points to a lack of evidence. Which means that the only thing we know to be true at this point is that 16 years ago, Jack patronized a massage establishment that was visited by police. That's it. That's all you've got.

  • hosertohoosier

    Okay scratch that. Layton and Chow had moved to a semi-detached home on Huron street (153 Huron), very close to 787 Dundas West by 1996. So the place probably was the closest one to his house. I think google maps' estimate of a 7 minute bike ride is probably way too high as well.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=jack%20la…

  • guest

    he's not referring to that busty hooker

  • Jenahlin

    And wasn't said Jack getting a plum something from the hooker?

  • Blue

    I`m sorry to hear that you feel anglos are gutless scums. Do your neighbours in Mississuaga know you feel that way ?
    —-strange that you would sail over the anti-woman slander of PC and attack me for questionong PC`s style—but maybe that`s not so strange. Don`t be so bitter.

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    You anglos are such gutless scums.

    Comments like this make me strangely happy. I don't know why. They just do. :)

    As if I really needed yet one more reason to dismiss your posts as the ramblings of a lunatic. I do appreciate the clarity though.

  • Blue

    Hey, PC—are you one of those gutless anglos LL is referring to ?

  • http://ragingranter.blogspot.com Raging_Ranter

    You take offense to someone who supports the Conservatives, yet a poster who refers to anglos as gutless scums doesn't offend you? I would suggest that if you are offended by the political choices of others, that it just may be you who has the problem. By the way, Loraine Lamontagne thinks you're a gutless piece of scum. Though on matters of politics, the two of you would likely agree on much.

  • frobisher

    Yeah, what a mystery!

    Say, did you ever tune into the 'Craig Bromell' show? On AM 640? It was a great listen. Too bad it's not on anymore! He'd have lots to say about this, for sure!

  • Jenahlin

    The cop who caught Jack naked is the source.
    Read the whole story and you might be able to comment on it.

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    If my neighbours post here anonymously their approval of policers officers breaking the law for personal reasons, I will gladly call them anglo scums to their faces.

    I am not bitter, but reading comments here and on the Globe and Mail reminds me that the Ku Klux Klan is a group of white anglo saxons protestants. Unless of course they are blind and wearing the KKK costume, like David Chappelle.

  • http://onelinecritic.wordpress.com/ DirtyOldTown

    Yes. Because we should take everything one anonymous ex-cop says as absolute gospel truth. And if you think that's a good idea, I have an email here from a very nice Nigerian prince who needs you to do a small favour for him.

  • craigola

    I don't think that person qualifies yet as a credible source.

  • Blue

    OK, you`ve lost reality.

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