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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-557107</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to note that grocery store yogurts do not contain what would be considered as a therapeutic amount of Culturing Unitss to have much health benefits to report.  As well, contain high amounts of sugar.  Bio-K is a probiotic yogurt that has done many studies for its use against C-Difficile in hospitals.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to note that grocery store yogurts do not contain what would be considered as a therapeutic amount of Culturing Unitss to have much health benefits to report.  As well, contain high amounts of sugar.  Bio-K is a probiotic yogurt that has done many studies for its use against C-Difficile in hospitals. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-557105</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will agree with your statement.  But lets not over shadow high caloric intake (ie.high glucose corn syrup etc.), refined foods (GMO wheat), fast foods and lack of exercise as a major contributing factor to the obesity epidemic.  Especially in our young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will agree with your statement.  But lets not over shadow high caloric intake (ie.high glucose corn syrup etc.), refined foods (GMO wheat), fast foods and lack of exercise as a major contributing factor to the obesity epidemic.  Especially in our young.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Paege</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-541205</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Paege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it odd that an article that&#039;s talking about weight loss and yogurt fails to mention added sugar. You can eat all the yogurt in the world, but if it&#039;s got sugar (not including fruit), it&#039;s likely going to have the opposite effect you are looking for. Especially since the effects of sugar are cumulative and it is now in nearly every processed food we eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it odd that an article that&#8217;s talking about weight loss and yogurt fails to mention added sugar. You can eat all the yogurt in the world, but if it&#8217;s got sugar (not including fruit), it&#8217;s likely going to have the opposite effect you are looking for. Especially since the effects of sugar are cumulative and it is now in nearly every processed food we eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Paege</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-541206</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Paege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it odd that an article that&#039;s talking about weight loss and yogurt fails to mention added sugar. You can eat all the yogurt in the world, but if it&#039;s got sugar (not including fruit), it&#039;s likely going to have the opposite effect you are looking for. Especially since the effects of sugar are cumulative and it is now in nearly every processed food we eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it odd that an article that&#8217;s talking about weight loss and yogurt fails to mention added sugar. You can eat all the yogurt in the world, but if it&#8217;s got sugar (not including fruit), it&#8217;s likely going to have the opposite effect you are looking for. Especially since the effects of sugar are cumulative and it is now in nearly every processed food we eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, I just have to say that a thorough search of PubMed would reveal many, many studies that show probiotics have a beneficial effect on human health. And in fact, if something is called a probiotic, then it by definition is good for health.

The problem is that these are two separate issues: health claims for probiotics in general, and health claims for yogurt. The yogurt claims are dubious, yes, since (1) companies sometimes generalize their claims, assuming that a certain strain of bacteria will have the same benefit for middle-aged men as for children, which isn&#039;t always borne out by the studies, and (2) there&#039;s no guarantee that the beneficial bacteria will survive the transportation process and be alive by the time they are consumed: the guarantees on the packages say &quot;X amount of bacteria were present at the time of manufacture.&quot;

Bottom line: if you DO want the health benefits of probiotics, don&#039;t rely on yogurt. There are other really great ways to get them. See intestinalgardener.blogspot.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, I just have to say that a thorough search of PubMed would reveal many, many studies that show probiotics have a beneficial effect on human health. And in fact, if something is called a probiotic, then it by definition is good for health.</p>
<p>The problem is that these are two separate issues: health claims for probiotics in general, and health claims for yogurt. The yogurt claims are dubious, yes, since (1) companies sometimes generalize their claims, assuming that a certain strain of bacteria will have the same benefit for middle-aged men as for children, which isn&#8217;t always borne out by the studies, and (2) there&#8217;s no guarantee that the beneficial bacteria will survive the transportation process and be alive by the time they are consumed: the guarantees on the packages say &#8220;X amount of bacteria were present at the time of manufacture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bottom line: if you DO want the health benefits of probiotics, don&#8217;t rely on yogurt. There are other really great ways to get them. See intestinalgardener.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Belluz</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540566</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Belluz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true. Too much out there to tackle. One post at a time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true. Too much out there to tackle. One post at a time.<br />
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		<title>By: Julia Belluz</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540567</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Belluz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true. Too much out there to tackle. One post at a time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true. Too much out there to tackle. One post at a time.<br />
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		<title>By: modster99</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540553</link>
		<dc:creator>modster99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be right - it is natural. lol</description>
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		<title>By: modster99</title>
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		<dc:creator>modster99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be right - it is natural. lol</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could probably devote the Science-ish blog entirely to questionable diet claims and still never run out of things to blog about.</description>
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		<title>By: Mariam Morshedi</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540377</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariam Morshedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least reading this article kept me away from the fridge long enough.  I bet online media promotes weight loss...anything to keep me from diet and exercise.  Thanks for doing the research, Belluz!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least reading this article kept me away from the fridge long enough.  I bet online media promotes weight loss&#8230;anything to keep me from diet and exercise.  Thanks for doing the research, Belluz! </p>
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		<title>By: TonyAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>TonyAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most of the test subjects ate no-fat or low-fat yogurt.”

As with many nutrition studies, it’s important to note the great difficulty (near impossibility?) of drawing correlations between the consumption of a specific food item and a particular health outcome. &quot;


Excellent point. Experts and studies have to be viewed collectively, or as a whole, and society should not follow just one or two studies because our understanding of causation/correlation are terrible. 


&quot;Most people can count calories. Many have a clue about where fat lurks in their diets. However, fewer give carbohydrates much thought, or know why they should.

But a growing number of top nutritional scientists blame excessive carbohydrates — not fat — for America&#039;s ills. They say cutting carbohydrates is the key to reversing obesity, heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and hypertension.&quot;

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/20/health/la-he-carbs-20101220</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most of the test subjects ate no-fat or low-fat yogurt.”</p>
<p>As with many nutrition studies, it’s important to note the great difficulty (near impossibility?) of drawing correlations between the consumption of a specific food item and a particular health outcome. &#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent point. Experts and studies have to be viewed collectively, or as a whole, and society should not follow just one or two studies because our understanding of causation/correlation are terrible. </p>
<p>&#8220;Most people can count calories. Many have a clue about where fat lurks in their diets. However, fewer give carbohydrates much thought, or know why they should.</p>
<p>But a growing number of top nutritional scientists blame excessive carbohydrates — not fat — for America&#8217;s ills. They say cutting carbohydrates is the key to reversing obesity, heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and hypertension.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/20/health/la-he-carbs-20101220" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/20/health/la-he-carbs-20101220</a></p>
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		<title>By: TonyAdams</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540365</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Diet has been studied very extensively, and there are some things that we know with a fair degree of certainty: there is reasonably convincing evidence that having a diet rich in fresh fruit and vegetables, with natural sources of dietary fiber, avoiding obesity, moderating one’s intake of alcohol, cutting out cigarettes, and taking physical exercise are protective against such things as cancer and heart disease.”


Other than avoiding obesity - which is nonsense on stilts - lifestyle described above would benefit average person of moderate health. Common sense - no cigs and everything else in moderation is best way to live if you want maximum best health. 

However, avoiding obesity is much easier said than done because there is plenty of evidence that appetite is controlled by genes. 



&quot;Height, weight, and body mass index (BMI) were assessed in a sample of 1974 monozygotic and 2097 dizygotic male twin pairs. Concordance rates for different degrees of overweight were twice as high for monozygotic twins as for dizygotic twins. Classic twin methods estimated a high heritability for height, weight, and BMI, both at age 20 years (.80,.78, and.77, respectively) and at a 25-year follow-up (.80,.81, and.84, respectively). 

Height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated across time, and a path analysis suggested that the major part of that covariation was genetic. These results are similar to those of other twin studies of these measures and suggest that human fatness is under substantial genetic control.&quot;

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/256/1/51.abstract


McArdle: Over the last five years or so, I&#039;ve noticed that public health efforts about obesity are not just amping up the volume, but exploring increasingly coercive methods to induce weight loss: taxes on junk food, lawsuits against fast food companies (which are basically a tax on junk food), and so forth. Does that match your analysis?

Campos: It&#039;s the classic pattern of moral panics. As public concern about the damage being done to the fabric of society by the folk devils increases, increasingly intense demands are made on public officials to &quot;do something&quot; about the crisis, usually by eliminating the folk devils. 

That of course is the strategy for this crisis. If fat people are the problem, then the solution is to get rid of them, by making them thin people. The most amazing aspect of this whole thing, for me, has always been the imperviousness of policy makers, and even more so people who consider themselves serious academics and scientists, to the overwhelming evidence that there&#039;s no way to do this. 

I mean, there&#039;s no better established empirical proposition in medical science that we don&#039;t know how to make people thinner. But apparently this proposition is too disturbing to consider, even though it&#039;s about as well established as that cigarettes cause lung cancer. So all these proposals about improving public health by making people thinner are completely crazy. They are as non-sensical as anything being proposed by public officials in our culture right now, which is saying something. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/07/americas-moral-panic-over-obesity/22397/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Diet has been studied very extensively, and there are some things that we know with a fair degree of certainty: there is reasonably convincing evidence that having a diet rich in fresh fruit and vegetables, with natural sources of dietary fiber, avoiding obesity, moderating one’s intake of alcohol, cutting out cigarettes, and taking physical exercise are protective against such things as cancer and heart disease.”</p>
<p>Other than avoiding obesity &#8211; which is nonsense on stilts &#8211; lifestyle described above would benefit average person of moderate health. Common sense &#8211; no cigs and everything else in moderation is best way to live if you want maximum best health. </p>
<p>However, avoiding obesity is much easier said than done because there is plenty of evidence that appetite is controlled by genes. </p>
<p>&#8220;Height, weight, and body mass index (BMI) were assessed in a sample of 1974 monozygotic and 2097 dizygotic male twin pairs. Concordance rates for different degrees of overweight were twice as high for monozygotic twins as for dizygotic twins. Classic twin methods estimated a high heritability for height, weight, and BMI, both at age 20 years (.80,.78, and.77, respectively) and at a 25-year follow-up (.80,.81, and.84, respectively). </p>
<p>Height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated across time, and a path analysis suggested that the major part of that covariation was genetic. These results are similar to those of other twin studies of these measures and suggest that human fatness is under substantial genetic control.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/256/1/51.abstract" rel="nofollow">http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/256/1/51.abstract</a></p>
<p>McArdle: Over the last five years or so, I&#8217;ve noticed that public health efforts about obesity are not just amping up the volume, but exploring increasingly coercive methods to induce weight loss: taxes on junk food, lawsuits against fast food companies (which are basically a tax on junk food), and so forth. Does that match your analysis?</p>
<p>Campos: It&#8217;s the classic pattern of moral panics. As public concern about the damage being done to the fabric of society by the folk devils increases, increasingly intense demands are made on public officials to &#8220;do something&#8221; about the crisis, usually by eliminating the folk devils. </p>
<p>That of course is the strategy for this crisis. If fat people are the problem, then the solution is to get rid of them, by making them thin people. The most amazing aspect of this whole thing, for me, has always been the imperviousness of policy makers, and even more so people who consider themselves serious academics and scientists, to the overwhelming evidence that there&#8217;s no way to do this. </p>
<p>I mean, there&#8217;s no better established empirical proposition in medical science that we don&#8217;t know how to make people thinner. But apparently this proposition is too disturbing to consider, even though it&#8217;s about as well established as that cigarettes cause lung cancer. So all these proposals about improving public health by making people thinner are completely crazy. They are as non-sensical as anything being proposed by public officials in our culture right now, which is saying something. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/07/americas-moral-panic-over-obesity/22397/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/07/americas-moral-panic-over-obesity/22397/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julia Belluz</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/07/05/science-ish-yogurt-a-fermented-panacea/comment-page-1/#comment-540362</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Belluz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks - great suggestion. Will listen.  </description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a podcast of PRI&#039;s Changing World radio series that covers yogurt. Sounds like it&#039;s been a triumph of game-changing marketing (convincing people that some food is medicine) and high margins (a few cents&#039; milk and flavouring become a few dollars&#039; worth of yogurt).

The podcast can be found here: http://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail?pid=18177 It&#039;s one of the &quot;Foods that make Billions&quot; series at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a podcast of PRI&#8217;s Changing World radio series that covers yogurt. Sounds like it&#8217;s been a triumph of game-changing marketing (convincing people that some food is medicine) and high margins (a few cents&#8217; milk and flavouring become a few dollars&#8217; worth of yogurt).</p>
<p>The podcast can be found here: <a href="http://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail?pid=18177" rel="nofollow">http://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail?pid=18177</a> It&#8217;s one of the &#8220;Foods that make Billions&#8221; series at the top.</p>
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