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‘Anger is another word for fear’

by Aaron Wherry on Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:36pm - 67 Comments

Brian Topp pushes back against the criticism of Nycole Turmel.

Certainly, none of the current noise has anything to do with the unity of the country. Because if the unity of the country were the issue, then the recruitment of an articulate, effective, high-profile female Francophone Quebec labour leader to the cause of Canada would be widely celebrated — not subjected to buckets of obsessive anger.

Rob Silver mocks.

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  • Anonymous

    Goodness I hope some of these columnists go on vacation soon.  They really need it.

    In their efforts to find a story…any story….to write about to meet their deadlines….they’ve developed OCD…Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

    Or maybe it’s ‘needle-in-a-haystack’ disorder. Or both.

    • Anonymous

      Meanwhile Harper is cutting jobs at Environment Canada while Rona buys totally unnecessary new furniture for the remaining employees.  . Libya’s gone sideways.  The stock market is tanking  but the war against leaders the opposition must go on.   

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, it’s boring and silly.  She’s only interim, and there’s no election in sight for another 4 years anyway….but columnists are still flogging the ‘horse-race’.

        I wish they’d quit on the search-for-the-needle…..and look at the haystack. The size of that sucker is increasing by the day!

    • Anonymous

      Meanwhile Harper is cutting jobs at Environment Canada while Rona buys totally unnecessary new furniture for the remaining employees.  . Libya’s gone sideways.  The stock market is tanking  but the war against leaders the opposition must go on.   

  • Anonymous

    “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” –Yoda

    Norman Spector and others raised a good point about Topp’s suggestion that Turmel was “recruited” to the “cause of Canada”. Does this jive with the NDP’s earlier claim that Turmel was always a federalist, despite her membership in separatist parties?

    I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Turmel was a poor choice for interim NDP leader, regardless of her strong union credentials.  It’s not the best optics when you have a leader who was a BQ supporter until a few months ago, and who tried to sweep this inconvenient detail under the rug.  

    Meanwhile, the federal Liberals can barely contain their glee. Turmel is the best thing that’s happened to them in a long time. The NDP ineptitude has given them a new lease on life.

  • Anonymous

    There would be questions asked if it became known that Stephen Harper was now a member of the Alberta NDP. And yes, some would be angry, but most would understandably be confused and demand an explanation.

    Personally I  would find it difficult to adhere to a party whose core policy I disagree with. I know, I know, I’m dumb and binary for feeling this way.

  • Anonymous

    There would be questions asked if it became known that Stephen Harper was now a member of the Alberta NDP. And yes, some would be angry, but most would understandably be confused and demand an explanation.

    Personally I  would find it difficult to adhere to a party whose core policy I disagree with. I know, I know, I’m dumb and binary for feeling this way.

    • Anonymous

      Is Harper temporary?  That’s good to know. Thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Is Harper temporary?  That’s good to know. Thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Is Harper temporary?  That’s good to know. Thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Is Harper temporary?  That’s good to know. Thanks.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure he is! 

        • Anonymous

          LOL just not as temporary as Turmel.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure he is! 

    • Anonymous

      There would be hell to pay if it was revealed the interim leader of the Liberals had been a provincial NDP or something.

      Aren’t most of the senior Conservatives members of other parties with similar but not identical political views, including frequently anti-Quebec viewpoints?

      Any chance there’s a lot of upset social conservatives because the Leader of the Opposition is female?  Jus’ wondering.

      • AVR

        No, there isn’t. Social conservatives have zero problem with social conservative female leaders. Or are we playing that quaint semantic game where Sarah Palin or Margaret Thatcher, say, aren’t “real” women?

      • AVR

        No, there isn’t. Social conservatives have zero problem with social conservative female leaders. Or are we playing that quaint semantic game where Sarah Palin or Margaret Thatcher, say, aren’t “real” women?

  • Anonymous

    Anger?  Who’s angry?  Never mind obsessively angry!  Topp?  His friends or colleagues?  If so, Emily is right and they should go on vacation. 

  • Anonymous

    Anger?  Who’s angry?  Never mind obsessively angry!  Topp?  His friends or colleagues?  If so, Emily is right and they should go on vacation. 

  • TonyAdams

    It is going to be long, but enjoyable, four years listening to Topp and his codswallop. And watching NDP and Libs – also known as socialists and fascists – have their regular donnybrook and argue amongst themselves about who should be in charge of country will also be entertaining. 

    Silver’s post would have be more persuasive if Silver didn’t belong to party that tried to form coalition government with BQ just short time ago and PM Martin did have separatists in his cabinet. In fact, I would not be surprised at all if PM Martin said something like “Because if the unity of the country were the issue …. ” to justify Lapierre’s appointment to cabinet. 

    NDP has about three years to make itself more mainstream or they will not grow their support. Que is natural fit for NDP if Que moving away from separatist/federalist debate but NDP not going to grow support outside Que if they continue as they are now. Interested to see how this plays out over next few years.

  • TonyAdams

    It is going to be long, but enjoyable, four years listening to Topp and his codswallop. And watching NDP and Libs – also known as socialists and fascists – have their regular donnybrook and argue amongst themselves about who should be in charge of country will also be entertaining. 

    Silver’s post would have be more persuasive if Silver didn’t belong to party that tried to form coalition government with BQ just short time ago and PM Martin did have separatists in his cabinet. In fact, I would not be surprised at all if PM Martin said something like “Because if the unity of the country were the issue …. ” to justify Lapierre’s appointment to cabinet. 

    NDP has about three years to make itself more mainstream or they will not grow their support. Que is natural fit for NDP if Que moving away from separatist/federalist debate but NDP not going to grow support outside Que if they continue as they are now. Interested to see how this plays out over next few years.

    • Anonymous

      The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

      The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

      fascist  noun
      1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascist

      Now stop abusing the language.

      • TonyAdams

        Mussolini ~ All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. 

        Fin Post:

        Other Canadian politicians and opinion-makers of the New Deal era likewise deplored the idea of social programs, preferring to foster the traditional culture of individual self-reliance.

        http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/06/27/karen-selick-%E2%80%98pursuit-of-one%E2%80%99s-trade%E2%80%99/

        Maclean’s:

        “Yet it was Pearson who brought in the national medicare program, the Canada Pension Plan, and the Guaranteed Income Supplement for seniors. He gave Canada a distinctive flag and established the groundbreaking Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism.”

        Ottawa Citizen – P Trudeau:

        “He was instead an ardent Quebec nationalist who, during the worst of the war years, admired fascist dictators, regarded reports of Nazi atrocities as British propaganda, plotted treason against the Canadian state and actively promoted a revolution to establish an independent Quebec solely for Catholic French Canadian …. ”

        http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/citizensweekly/story.html?id=e72eeda6-6d2f-4586-8f28-822719408b23

        Nat Post:

        The results reveal a pervasive distrust of big government that may have been a contributor to the Liberal party’s unprecedented clobbering in last month’s federal election. Canadians rejected ideas of governments pursuing “grand visions” or forcing “grand designs” on the population ….. 

        http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/08/canadians-confidence-in-government-slipping-manning-centre/

      • TonyAdams

        Mussolini ~ All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. 

        Fin Post:

        Other Canadian politicians and opinion-makers of the New Deal era likewise deplored the idea of social programs, preferring to foster the traditional culture of individual self-reliance.

        http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/06/27/karen-selick-%E2%80%98pursuit-of-one%E2%80%99s-trade%E2%80%99/

        Maclean’s:

        “Yet it was Pearson who brought in the national medicare program, the Canada Pension Plan, and the Guaranteed Income Supplement for seniors. He gave Canada a distinctive flag and established the groundbreaking Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism.”

        Ottawa Citizen – P Trudeau:

        “He was instead an ardent Quebec nationalist who, during the worst of the war years, admired fascist dictators, regarded reports of Nazi atrocities as British propaganda, plotted treason against the Canadian state and actively promoted a revolution to establish an independent Quebec solely for Catholic French Canadian …. ”

        http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/citizensweekly/story.html?id=e72eeda6-6d2f-4586-8f28-822719408b23

        Nat Post:

        The results reveal a pervasive distrust of big government that may have been a contributor to the Liberal party’s unprecedented clobbering in last month’s federal election. Canadians rejected ideas of governments pursuing “grand visions” or forcing “grand designs” on the population ….. 

        http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/08/canadians-confidence-in-government-slipping-manning-centre/

        • Anonymous

          The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

          The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

          fascist  noun
          1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

          http://dictionary.reference.co...

          Now stop abusing the language.

          Oh and….”Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini

          Wandering off to other topics, and posting more cork-brained quotes won’t help you.

          • TonyAdams

            Hitler was a socialist, that’s why he called his party national socialist party, and Mussolini was fascist. 

            A Coyne  - Getting Politics off the dole ~ ” …. since the days when corporations were handing over $100,000 cheques to the Liberal party and getting hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies in return. ”

            A Coyne ~  Back in 2004, the Tories were promising to cut corporate and other subsidies: instead they’ve soared, by $10 billion in fiscal 2010 alone.

          • Anonymous

            Hitler was not remotely a socialist. He took over a dying party with that name, and didn’t bother to change it..  Hitler and Mussolini were both fascists.

            Con flip-flops are again….off topic.

          • TonyAdams

            25 points Nazi Platform – 1920

            “ We demand profit-sharing in large industries …  We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions … We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores …. “ 

            NDP:
            “Instead, Layton says the party will focus on building a real middle-class recovery, pushing the government to uphold its stimulus commitments, make life more affordable for families and seniors, …” 

            http://www.ndp.ca/press/put-middle-class-recovery-before-wedge-politics-layton

            “Prime Minister Stephen Harper has joined a chorus of voices calling for MP Libby Davies to resign as NDP deputy leader for casting doubt on Israel’s right to exist at a recent Vancouver protest against the Jewish state.”

            http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/823993–libby-davies-in-hot-water-for-anti-israel-comments

            Steve Pinker ~ But the newest research is showing that many properties of the brain are genetically organized, and don’t depend on information coming in from the senses.

            http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/pinker_blank/pinker_blank_p4.html

          • TonyAdams

            25 points Nazi Platform – 1920

            “ We demand profit-sharing in large industries …  We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions … We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores …. “ 

            NDP:
            “Instead, Layton says the party will focus on building a real middle-class recovery, pushing the government to uphold its stimulus commitments, make life more affordable for families and seniors, …” 

            http://www.ndp.ca/press/put-middle-class-recovery-before-wedge-politics-layton

            “Prime Minister Stephen Harper has joined a chorus of voices calling for MP Libby Davies to resign as NDP deputy leader for casting doubt on Israel’s right to exist at a recent Vancouver protest against the Jewish state.”

            http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/823993–libby-davies-in-hot-water-for-anti-israel-comments

            Steve Pinker ~ But the newest research is showing that many properties of the brain are genetically organized, and don’t depend on information coming in from the senses.

            http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/pinker_blank/pinker_blank_p4.html

      • Anonymous

        As a long-time social democrat, I don’t think we’re anything at all like socialists beyond the similar spelling.  A lot of the founders of the social democracy movement in Canada were, like my grandparents, refugees from Stalin’s genocides.  The core of being a social democrat is the belief that anything political that starts with a capital letter & ends with -ism will probably be bad for democracy & the overall “welfare” of society.  (Down with Slogans!!!)

        Admitted, in the first few decades of their existence, the CCF/NDP collected a lot of the far-left crazies.  However, political crazy types, like sheep, like to be on the same side of the fence as the rest of the sheep, and currently, they’re hanging out on the far right.

        • Anonymous

          Well there’s certainly a lot of varieties of socialism and social democrats…but I was just going by what the NDP debated at their recent convention….I think they ended by throwing the question to a committee for further study.

          And yes I agree….the political crazies….and there are some lulus…are on the far right.

    • Anonymous

      The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

      The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

      fascist  noun
      1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascist

      Now stop abusing the language.

    • Anonymous

      The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

      The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

      fascist  noun
      1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascist

      Now stop abusing the language.

    • Anonymous

      The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

      The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

      fascist  noun
      1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascist

      Now stop abusing the language.

    • Anonymous

      The NDP are socialists…or social democrats, yes.

      The Libs however are not fascists….use a dictionary.

      fascist  noun
      1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party. 3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascist

      Now stop abusing the language.

  • TonyAdams

    It is going to be long, but enjoyable, four years listening to Topp and his codswallop. And watching NDP and Libs – also known as socialists and fascists – have their regular donnybrook and argue amongst themselves about who should be in charge of country will also be entertaining. 

    Silver’s post would have be more persuasive if Silver didn’t belong to party that tried to form coalition government with BQ just short time ago and PM Martin did have separatists in his cabinet. In fact, I would not be surprised at all if PM Martin said something like “Because if the unity of the country were the issue …. ” to justify Lapierre’s appointment to cabinet. 

    NDP has about three years to make itself more mainstream or they will not grow their support. Que is natural fit for NDP if Que moving away from separatist/federalist debate but NDP not going to grow support outside Que if they continue as they are now. Interested to see how this plays out over next few years.

  • Anonymous

    The Cons never stop campaigning. Even with a majority and a clear four year mandate, they won’t miss an opportunity to smear the opposition.

    The high road is an empty highway, with these guys in charge.

    • Anonymous

      Ironically, it was the Bloc that broke the story, and it’s been the Liberals who have been taking advantage of it the most.  But go on believing that the Cons are the big meanies here.

      • Anonymous

        CR, there you go letting facts get in the way of an anti-Harper rant.  The nerve of you.

      • Anonymous

        “The Conservative Party memo notes, too, that she is “not alone” in the caucus in supporting separatism.

        “NDP MPs Alexandre Boulerice (Rosemont-La-Petite-Patrie), Marc-André Morin (Laurentides-Labelle), and Claude Patry (Jonquiere-Alma) have also supported sovereigntist views and NDP MPs Alexandrine Latendresse (Louis Saint Laurent), Dany Morin (Chicoutimi-Le Fjord), and Marie-Claude Morin (Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot) have shown they are open to sovereignty,” says the memo.
        “Will Ms. Turmel stop her party’s double-talk to Quebec and make her MPs from Quebec stand with a united Canada?,” it asks.”

        http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/nycole-turmel-and-her-sovereigntist-roots/article2116884/

      • Anonymous

        Fair enough, but the Cons weren’t exactly above the fray.

        “We all support our friends — that doesn’t mean we buy a membership for five years with a party that wants to break up Canada,” Dimitri Soudas, director of communications for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, posted to Twitter on Tuesday.”

        http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1033795–rivals-pounce-on-turmel-s-bloc-ties

        • Anonymous

          Dimitri raised a very valid point.  I have a hard time believing that a “lifelong federalist“ was a member and donor to the Bloc Quebecois just to support a friend, which is the excuse on offer.

          • Anonymous

            I have no problem with the donations.  If my brother were to run for the PQ, and that would be very likely, I would contribute to his campaign because I love him and I know him and trust him.  But he wouldn’t succeed even in a tickling match in signing me up as a member of the PQ.  I’d die laughing! By the way, I am a member of a party and I have in the past voted for a candidate other than that of my party because I knew the person and liked him very much.  I have even voted for the PQ candidate when I lived in Point-aux-Trembles, Marcel Léger, because I knew him well and I knew how devoted he was to his constituents.  He graciously helped me even if I had a Liberal sign on my front lawn. But he would never have succeeded in signing me up as a PQ member.  That’s a commitment I make because of my convictions.  Friendship or family have nothing to do with adhering to a party, for me.

          • Anonymous

            yes but you probably come from a politically immature part of the country and don’t understand the nuance the way the mature residents of PQ do. Really, you should just stop and let the adults handle the whole question of Quebec soveriegnty

          • Anonymous

            yes but you probably come from a politically immature part of the country and don’t understand the nuance the way the mature residents of PQ do. Really, you should just stop and let the adults handle the whole question of Quebec soveriegnty

          • Anonymous

            yes but you probably come from a politically immature part of the country and don’t understand the nuance the way the mature residents of PQ do. Really, you should just stop and let the adults handle the whole question of Quebec soveriegnty

      • Anonymous

        We know the Bloc broke the story?  Did they break it to the Cons first, because they had a memo out to MP’s last week, days ahead of the Globe article.

        • Anonymous

          We wonder how the content private letter from a member to a political party regarding their membership ends up on the cover page of the Globe and Mail. That kind of correspondence is not public, like donations. It is highly plausible that the Bloc leaked this, or that a disgruntled Bloc employee did.  I haven’t read that their office has been broken in. 

        • Anonymous

          Jan, the Con memo was about her Bloc endorsements as union leader, not about her BQ membership.  

          Brian Topp himself said it was the Bloc that leaked the letter that led to the Globe article.

  • Anonymous

    The Cons never stop campaigning. Even with a majority and a clear four year mandate, they won’t miss an opportunity to smear the opposition.

    The high road is an empty highway, with these guys in charge.

  • Anonymous

    The Cons never stop campaigning. Even with a majority and a clear four year mandate, they won’t miss an opportunity to smear the opposition.

    The high road is an empty highway, with these guys in charge.

  • Anonymous

    The Cons never stop campaigning. Even with a majority and a clear four year mandate, they won’t miss an opportunity to smear the opposition.

    The high road is an empty highway, with these guys in charge.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t the dippers just change their name to the “Unionist” party!!

    • Anonymous

      Why don’t the Cons change their name to ‘Cranky Old White Guys’ party?

      • Anonymous

        Lol!!   That has a certain cachet !!!!

        • Anonymous

          Truthiness too. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Silver sure seems to think Canadians had placed national unity high on their list of priorities when judging elected officials until Turmel came along. 

    Did he miss the part when a man who once said “Whether Canada ends up as o­ne national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion” was elected Prime Minister of Canada???

  • Anonymous

    Silver sure seems to think Canadians had placed national unity high on their list of priorities when judging elected officials until Turmel came along. 

    Did he miss the part when a man who once said “Whether Canada ends up as o­ne national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion” was elected Prime Minister of Canada???

  • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com doug rogers

    Stephen Harper was once a card carrying member of the Conservative party!

    • Anonymous

      Oh, it’s much more shocking than that.  Stephen Harper used to be a LIBERAL!!!

      • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com doug rogers

        Stephen Harper was once an Economist!

        • Anonymous

          Uh, no.  He wasn’t.

          • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com doug rogers

            You mean… you mean… he has… no… job… experience…?

          • Anonymous

            He’s got plenty of job experience, but it’s almost entirely as a career politician and lobbyist.  And he was never an economist.

          • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com doug rogers

            You’re just so serious sometimes.

          • Anonymous

            LOL

            I actually have fun mocking Harper’s pretentious and inaccurate casting of himself as an “economist”.  I actually think it’s funny watching “Political hack from Toronto” try to pass himself off as “Economist from Calgary”.

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