John Parisella

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S&P sends U.S. political leaders a message

by John Parisella on Monday, August 8, 2011 5:59pm - 34 Comments

Last Friday, the Standard & Poor’s rating agency made history by ratcheting the U.S. credit rating down a notch from AAA to AA+. (The two other major rating agencies, Moody’s and Fitch, kept the U.S. at AAA.) The Obama administration argued S&P overestimated the U.S. debt by over $2 trillion. And though S&P recognized the error, it argued the debt ceiling deal was inadequate to maintain an impeccable credit rating.

Politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties have blamed one another for the decision by S&P. GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann attributed the downgrade to President Obama, while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

S&P may have overstepped its boundaries by pointing to a dysfunctional political environment to partially justify the downgrade, but the politics of the last few weeks were very much a source of dismay and concern judging by the results of a NYT-CBS poll taken last week. The survey not only gave low marks to Obama for his performance during the debt ceiling debate, it also gave an even lower grade to Congress, with only 14 per cent approving of its performance compared to 82 per cent who disapproved. In addition, the Tea Party, considered the prime instigator behind the rigid “no new taxes” approach to dealing with the deficit and the debt, has a favourable rating of just 20 per cent. The super committee of Congress assigned to deal with the next and more crucial round of cuts will have its work cut out, and there are few voices expressing much optimism about the outcome.

While the US had a better than expected jobs report in July, worries about a potential double dip recession have begun to surface. The situation in Europe, where Spain and Italy have joined Greece on the watch list of a possible bailout, complicates matters even further. Markets around the world are expected to be nervous and volatile in the weeks ahead.

In a somewhat ironic twist, the S&P rating may serve as a wake-up call to the political class on both sides of the Atlantic. Deficits and debts are more than numbers and they are not products of one administration, or a specific set of policies. They are the product of years of policies that were unsustainable in the long run.

In recent weeks, the conservative Wall Street Journal has frequently cited Canada as the example the U.S. must follow if it wants to stimulate economic growth while reducing its deficits. The WSJ specifically identified tax cuts and reduced spending as effective ways of eliminating the deficit and boosting the economy. Assuming the WSJ has a legitimate argument as it relates to Canada, it omits to mention how important Canada’s balanced approach and the absence of ideological fervour have been in achieving economic stability and recovery.

Increased tax revenues—remember how the GST came about?—along with a reduction in spending by the federal government in the 1990s are what allowed Ottawa to balance the books. Effective innovation policies, investments in infrastructure and research and development, a drive to open up new markets, and tighter regulation of the financial sector by successive governments were also part of the Canadian formula for success. Gradually, there were cuts to personal income taxes and the GST, but it is worthwhile to highlight that Canadian political parties on both the left and the right—at both the federal and provincial levels—chose to deal with the problems and not play to their respective ideological bases for political advantage.

Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed. But at the end of the day, any lasting solutions will have to come from the political leadership, and not just the credit agency.

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  • Anonymous

    Moody’s said AAA with a negative outlook. No clear sailing there either.

    S&P did not make a mistake….they said…and I quote…

    “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade.”

    • Anonymous

      No, S&P’s initial baseline calculations were off by $2 trillion and they’ve publicly acknowledged that error.  They then basically said, even though our original analysis was off by $2 trillion, we still think downgrading was appropriate (though they did change their rationale for the downgrade to better fit the corrected numbers).  And hey, maybe the downgrade was still justified (we’re talking about debt as a percentage of GDP being estimated at 85% in 2021, as opposed to S&P’s initial calculation pegging it at 93% of GDP in 2021 based on the $2 trillion error, and obviously 85% of GDP is still a bad number). 

      However, it’s kinda hard to take S&P’s analysis completely seriously when these are the same guys who missed the entire mortgage security swapping mess happening right under their noses, and then they have a $2 trillion error in their calculations pointed out to them by the treasury department hours before they downgraded the U.S.’s credit rating.

      • Anonymous

        No, they were not, and they did not.

        As they said, they don’t believe the tax cuts will come to an end…so they included them where Obama did not.

        As to the mortgages….they don’t investigate companies or funds….they can only go by the numbers they are given

        • Anonymous

          LOL

          Here.

          S&P issued a press release explaining the error for Pete’s sake.  (Also, it had nothing to do with whether or not the Bush taxcuts expire, and they were using numbers from the CBO, not President Obama).

          And if S&P makes all of their decisions by simply going with the numbers they get from companies and fund managers then we all need to stop giving so much weight to the S&P 500!

          I bet if you told the folks at S&P that they “don’t investigate companies or funds” they’d STRONGLY disagree with that characterization.  Making that claim is arguably a MUCH bigger attack on them than claiming that they made a $2 trillion accounting error by using the wrong CBO numbers for their baseline (which isn’t much of an attack given that they’ve publicly admitted to making a $2 trillion accounting error by using the wrong CBO numbers for their baseline).

          • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            They made a mistake. They corrected it. That’s why your quote has the word “revised”

          • Anonymous

            @Thwim:disqus 

            Revised from previous projections.

            I realize you’re trying to let the Americans off the hook here, but it doesn’t change anything. They don’t believe the tax cuts will disappear.

      • Anonymous

        More than missing the subprime hustle, they were willing and eager participants
        in the boondoggle – for a suitable fee, of course – even to the point of giving Lehmans
        a hefty rating shortly before the fall. They made several fortunes by giving AAA’s
        to mortgage mystery packages even though internal emails showed the raters as
        confused to their value or, even better, rating them while knowing they were time
        bombs.

        • Anonymous

          They are a world-wide rating agency….they do not have the authority, the manpower or the ability to investigate every company and fund in the world.

          They go by the numbers they are given.

          • Anonymous

            A very good analysis here …

            http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/why-s-p-s-ratings-are-substandard-and-porous/?pagewanted=all

            Although if they are going to harp on Canada as an example They’ll
            have to gin up a fourth rate Wall St. pundit to declare the US a
            “Third World” economy and have the neo-liberal Village jump on
            board. Shouldn’t be a problem.

          • Anonymous

            Well the US is going out of it’s way to fault and blame S&P for obvious reasons….they don’t want to face reality, and NOTHING is ever their fault. I dunno if they’d even listen to Jesus….you can’t worship God and Mammon at the same time, but the Americans are trying to

            After Chretien and Martin got through fixing our economy, we were in a good position so we’ve become an example. However the 2 economies are quite different…we have far more commodities, and can’t control them…

            I will agree with that article on the last line though   ‘the global financial system is in need of reform’

      • Anonymous

        S&P shouldn’t be on anybody’s ‘saviour’ list–or Christmas card list, come to that–and the error is proof of shoddy work.  And changing the argument to fit the decision doesn’t help the credibility score either.  But two wrongs still don’t make a right, and they do have a point.

  • Anonymous

    Moody’s said AAA with a negative outlook. No clear sailing there either.

    S&P did not make a mistake….they said…and I quote…

    “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade.”

  • Anonymous

    The prospect of being hanged in a fortnight still does not seem to have concentrated the mind of either side.

  • Anonymous

    It seems to me that S&P has made an enormous mistake here.  Imagine I was to ask said company for advice on lending my hard earned money to a third company.  The facts in point are that the senior executive of that company just finished playing a game of brinkman down to the wire with their rather large existing debt.  Concurrently, some minor executives (still with the company) openly mused about perhaps screwing over their existing debtors and defaulting on those loans as the fastest way out of their fiscal mess.  Finally, the company settled on a muddled compromise that nobody inside the company is happy with (and many have already started to undermine)  So S&P considers all this and comes back with a very positive AA+ rating!   I think I will go elsewhere for advice.

    For years, China has had the capacity to pull the plug on the US.  There are sound fiscal arguments for them not doing so, but if a political reason arose don’t count on China being nice for niceties sake.  Now the US has developed the internal disfunctionality that it is not out of the question that it could pull the plug on itself for political reasons.  

  • Phil King

    From my perspective you have to ask yourself what the purpose of the ratings is; the answer being to indicate on a sliding scale the safer or less safe places to invest.

    In other words it’s a relative value.

    So considering that we have to ask: has US payback reliability really dropped relative to many other countries? I doubt that very much.

    To me this down rating is more of a public statment on the political situation than a real indication of risk, since frankly the US is still one of the single best places to invest in the world, regardless of this political showdown snafu.

    • Anonymous

      I dunno. Personally, I would have downgraded them the moment it became clear that a significant number of the politicians publicly said they were willing to default on the debt to avoid having to compromise their ideologic positions. If you’re really a debt rating agency, you should be strictly evaluating the risk to debtors. Making public statements on political situations should stay out of your league.

      After all, consider what would have happened had any other company had a number of board members come out and publicly say they were willing to have their company default on their debtors so they wouldn’t have to compromise.  That would have been an instant drop of probably a couple of notches at least until those board members were removed — and shareholders would be screaming for emergency meetings to get rid of them.

      I honestly don’t believe the US is a safe bet any more, after all, come November which politicians are going to get elected. The ones that say “we’re going to have to cut our military, cut our support for your states and schools” or the ones that say, “we’re not going to risk our well-being to pay back those blood-sucking financiers..”

      • Phil King

        I think comparing a country like the US to any given private enterprise, no matter how large, is equating apples to kumquats.

        Even today the US represents nearly a quarter of the entire nominal global GDP, ie first in the world and three times larger than the next largest economy, China. It’s still the center of the incredibly complex web of global business and is in a sense the most diversified portfolio imaginable.

        The ratings themselves are only useful in terms of comparison when seeking investment opportunities. The fact is that the US is still by far the most powerful economy in the world and therefore one of the best places to invest, making the downgrade symbolic in my opinion.

        • Anonymous

          Except we’re not talkng about the US economy as a whole, we’re talking specifically about the US gov’t. Is the United States, in general, a safe place to invest? Sure, odds are if you get yourself into a broad enough spectrum of companies in the US, you’ll be fine, and they have a massive, massive spectrum to choose from, this is true.

          But the U.S. government is a different beast, and that’s what S&P downgraded.

          • Anonymous

            Still Phil’s point regarding apples to kumquats remains valid.  US government spending is larger than the largest corporations… although not by orders of magnitude.  Of course, if one considers revenues rather than expenditures they are even closer to the same size, which I guess is relevant to the issue at hand.

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  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this is the message S&P was sending: compromise, a balanced approach, and less ideology are what’s needed.

    Or maybe S&P’s message was just what, you know, they said:  The US federal government is on an unsustainable path, with no recent evidence of even half-a-clue about fixing it, and their debts are looking increasingly suspect.

    What message YOU are hearing is no doubt political.  But S&P can’t (and shouldn’t much) care whether Uncle Sam gets smart about spending or increasingly confiscatory about taxation.  It SHOULD care about Uncle Sam either apologetically negotiating its debt repayment to eighty cents on the dollar, or (not entirely dissimilar) running overtime on its printing presses to squeak by on devaluation.  One can only hope the voters are paying attention.

  • Anonymous

     while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

    Meanwhile, Obama was toying with default to force a deal that could extend beyond the next presidential election, making political-gain sense but zero economic sense.  This, of course, gets a pass.

  • Anonymous

     while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

    Meanwhile, Obama was toying with default to force a deal that could extend beyond the next presidential election, making political-gain sense but zero economic sense.  This, of course, gets a pass.

  • Anonymous

     while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

    Meanwhile, Obama was toying with default to force a deal that could extend beyond the next presidential election, making political-gain sense but zero economic sense.  This, of course, gets a pass.

  • Anonymous

     while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

    Meanwhile, Obama was toying with default to force a deal that could extend beyond the next presidential election, making political-gain sense but zero economic sense.  This, of course, gets a pass.

  • Anonymous

     while Obama advisor David Axelrod blamed the Tea Party for toying with a default to force spending cuts.

    Meanwhile, Obama was toying with default to force a deal that could extend beyond the next presidential election, making political-gain sense but zero economic sense.  This, of course, gets a pass.

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