Pest control for vegans. (It’s complicated.)

Even de-fleaing a dog can be a problem. After all, “fleas are living beings, too.”

by Julia McKinnell on Friday, August 26, 2011 10:37am - 7 Comments
Pest control for vegans - It’s complicated

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Veganism is all about animal rights, but where do you draw the line if you’re a restaurant owner with a mouse problem, or a cook with cockroaches in the kitchen? According to Martin Mersereau, director of emergency response for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) in Washington, “Any vegan restaurant than kills rodents is absolutely hypocritical. If you’re going to exercise such conscientiousness in the cuisine that you prepare, then why not bring that same heart and soul to managing your little unwanted visitors?” Glue traps and poison, he says, “should be avoided like the plague.”

In Toronto, a vegan restaurant owner (who doesn’t want his name used) says, “You’re a vegan as much as you can be. Adequate pest control is a requirement of the Toronto Board of Health. We’re in Kensington Market. There are mice everywhere, so we have a service that comes by, and they put out a lot of glue traps. But I’ve actually caught a mouse on a glue trap and you can release them from the trap using oil. You put oil on the parts the mouse is stuck to, any kind of cooking oil, and it loosens the adhesive. You take him outside. It takes five minutes. The tricky part is, if their head is stuck to the glue trap you have to make sure you don’t drown the little guy in oil.”

In Victoria, at the Lotus Pond, a Buddhist restaurant serving vegan food, chef and part-owner Charles Cai says, “I’m Buddhist. I’ve never killed anything. Never, never, never. How do we solve it when we have a mouse? The best way is to block the holes,” he says. “The old buildings always have problems with holes. We’ve found over 10 holes in the last couple of years, but there’s not any mice now.” Occasionally, when customers enter, a bee flies in the door, in which case Cai traps the insect with a small homemade net and releases it back outside.

In Vancouver, at the landmark restaurant the Naam, manager Glen Delukas says, “We’re a vegetarian restaurant but we’re not a bunch of Buddhists here, that’s for sure! We have our own pest control. We absolutely don’t want any mice or any insects in the food, so whatever measures we have to take, we do. It’s more important to have a clean kitchen for people who are paying money than to have a clean conscience as far as the little bugs are concerned. Right now, we’re at the best we’ve ever been.”

Have they ever had a rat problem? “Rats? No, we’ve never had a rat problem. No, we did a couple of years ago, what am I saying? They were going up our grapevine, outside the restaurant. There were a couple of instances, in the middle of dinner service [on the patio], with rats running across the top there, and people were shocked. The following year, when the grapes came out, we removed them pretty quick, so there was nothing for them to go to.”

Delukas remembers only one time when the staff complained of seeing a mouse inside. “We have a hole in the floor over by the coffee station. We have a statue of a little frog over it. Every now and then a mouse would come up through that hole. I never heard customers say anything but I’d hear servers say, ‘Oh my God! There’s a mouse.’ I was like, ‘Well, who moved the frog?’ ”

In Parksville on Vancouver Island, Buddhist yoga teacher Penny McGuire uses a piece of paper and a glass to trap and remove spiders, ants and moths from her home. One time in Australia, where she grew up, she relocated a poisonous redback spider from her home. “I just used the glass and a piece of paper so I wasn’t actually touching the spider.”

The time McGuire had to de-flea her dog, she used a Buddhist prayer to counteract the negative karma incurred by killing the fleas. “Every life is a life,” she says. “So, yeah, I’m aware that fleas are living beings, too. I’d be saying prayers the whole time I’m washing the dog. It is said that if an animal hears the mantra ‘Om Mani Padma Hung’ in their next life, they’ll be born as a human and have a chance of being enlightened. So people can just do that,” she suggests. “To every bug you let go or step on, say, ‘Om Mani Padma Hung.’ Just saying that is doing a huge amount right there.”

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    We are a 100% vegan variety shop in Vancouver, Karmavore Vegan Shop, and do not resort to killing “pests” as this article puts it.  As vegans, our ethics lead to educated and compassionate choices to avoid the unnecessary suffering of other life, as best as we can.  Suggestions – first, you can professionally seal all your building holes.  Next, you should adhere to a strict sanitation and cleaning program to ensure you aren’t leaving out any crumbs or food/smells that would draw attention (a solid cleaning before close each day).  Lastly, there are humane catch and release traps available from a company called Havahart – you can purchase these at Lee Valley Tools.  We hope this information may help anyone who finds it difficult to find compassionate solutions.

  • Anonymous

    As an ethical vegan, I don’t think catching mice in glue traps is okay as long as you let them go by putting oil on them later (and trying not to drown them in the process) is consistent with the vegan ethic. The person didn’t even want their name used – which might be an indication that even they might not really* think what they’re doing is okay. Or at least they recognize that there are people out there who would be angry about it, and with good reason.

    And the woman who says she chants as she gives her dog a flea bath so the bugs can have a chance at being reincarnated as humans so they can have a chance at enlightenment? I don’t share her faith, but that seems speciesist to me. At the very least, I see it as about equal to hunters who claim that it’s okay that they kill animals because they thank the animal’s spirit after they’ve shot them. I see it as a way to avoid responsibility for taking a life. Not that I haven’t dealt with that same issue: I have given my dogs flea baths before. And I’m happy to talk about that in more depth as it connects with the current notion about how far a person is expected to go to maintain their vegan values. At what point is inconvenience an excuse to kill or hurt an animal? When does one determine that killing an animal is necessary? Many people believe that it’s necessary to kill animals to eat them. Can you still be vegan if you catch mice in glue traps?

    I think that the issues raised in the article are worth examining, but even the title rubs me the wrong way with the use of the term “pest control”. First, it says to me that some animals are less-than others, as I see the word ‘pest’ as a put-down. Second, the word “control” isn’t consistent with ethical vegans’ stance that we don’t believe that animals are ours to own or control, right?

    As veganism becomes more mainstream, it seems like the definition is changing (i.e. weakening). But the true definition of the word is “a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose.” As someone who honestly strives to live my life by that definition daily, it bothers me that someone who is alright with catching mice in glue traps because they can be released with oil later, can get away with calling themselves and being regarded by others as vegan. 

    I think it’s great to think about how veganism can be expressed in an imperfect world. To ask ourselves, “How can we, as vegans who aim to cause the least harm possible, respond when other animals make our lives difficult or dangerous?” The challenge in being vegan isn’t to live without cheese – it’s to constantly question and re-examine what is possible and practicable in regard to excluding all forms of animal cruelty. And it’s important that we not let ourselves off the hook on that.

  • Jim Bean

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    what a joke.  I knew vegans were pathetic, but this really article shows
    how vegans really do deserve top prize for being snivelling wussies. 
    Afraid to kill a mouse? A bee? Pathetic.  Put your sacks on and keep your
    homes and businesses clean like everybody else.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OTK7D2T4XFIAOCRNFHDSRJOXE Eddie

    Plants aren’t living things, eh!? Hypocrisy all the way!! :-/

    • David Cain

      Plants don’t suffer. If you don’t think there’s a difference between cutting into a head of lettuce and cutting into the head of a dog, go to a psychiatrist please.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OTK7D2T4XFIAOCRNFHDSRJOXE Eddie

    “ a Buddhist restaurant serving vegan food, chef and part-owner Charles Cai says, “I’m Buddhist. I’ve never killed anything. Never, never, never. ”

    “Every life is a life,” she says. “So, yeah, I’m aware that fleas are living beings, too. I’d be saying prayers the whole time I’m washing the dog.”

    So they don’t breathe and eat. I finally have evidence of a god!! Only by a divine miracle could these people be alive! Otherwise, every breath they take would be killing microscopic life and they would be killing plants to eat for nourishment.  As I said before,”Hypocrisy all the way!! :-/”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=707390114 Marilyn Fraser

    In this article they talk about mice, but what do vegans do about cockroaches? Do they not consider them a health hazard and almost impossible to rid the place of them. What about the bedbugs infestations. Are we supposed to protect these vile healthy hazards?
    Disgusting!! Maybe that’s why we can’t get rid of them. Too many people protecting them?

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