On the run from radio frequencies

Some Canadians go to great lengths to escape waves of radiation from electronics that are considered harmless

by Alex Ballingall on Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20am - 273 Comments
Refugees in their own land

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As the mother of two young girls, Samantha Boutet does what she believes is necessary to protect her family. That’s why, with the spread of radio frequencies from increasingly common wireless technology, Boutet is a refugee in her own land. The naturopathic doctor and her two daughters are relocating more than 600 km east of their home in Maple Ridge, B.C., to a small cabin in a remote valley in B.C.’s Kootenay mountains.

The decision was spurred by a series of health problems affecting her older daughter, Amelia, which started in Grade 4. For more than a year, Amelia suffered from deep headaches, nagging nausea, inexplicable muscle soreness, tingling extremities, and insomnia, Boutet says. Eventually, after visiting a number of specialists, the family doctor diagnosed Amelia with electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS), a medical condition that involves a range of non-specific symptoms attributed to electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs), much like those described by sufferers of multiple-chemical sensitivity, another environmental illness believed to be caused by low-level exposure to chemicals. “I felt really bad because her body was telling her there was something wrong, and I was telling her there couldn’t be, and I couldn’t understand why she was behaving the way she was,” says Boutet.

EMFs are invisible radioactive frequencies emitted from radio towers, WiFi routers, cellphones, wireless laptops, TV remotes—even the new smart meters that measure water and electricity use and beam information to the utilities. These non-ionizing radioactive waves travel through the air at much lower frequencies than ionizing radiation (which includes X-rays and gamma rays) and are widely considered harmless. And due to the proliferation of technology that releases them, others like Amelia, now 11, feel as if their health is being compromised. They can either live with their pain, or flee to backcountry refuges. “It’s not that I’m just worried,” Boutet says. “My older daughter will be deathly sick, so we have to leave.”

In the U.S., people are flocking to the tiny town of Green Bank, W.Va., part of the country’s Radio Quiet Zone. No wireless is allowed within 33,000 square kilometres so the waves don’t interfere with telescopes operated by an astronomy observatory and the U.S. military.

The World Health Organization says that “there is no scientific basis to link EHS symptoms to EMF exposure,” and there are indications these symptoms “may be due to pre-existing psychiatric conditions,” namely stress from worries about exposure.

Health Canada, meanwhile, maintains electromagnetic frequency does not pose a threat. According to the government department, devices like cellphones and radio towers emit waves at levels “thousands of times” lower than the threshold where it would harm human health, according to spokesman Stéphane Shank. As long as exposure remains below that, Health Canada says “there is no convincing evidence that this equipment is dangerous.” They do agree that “additional research is warranted” into a possible link to cancer.

Una St. Clair, director of Citizens for Safe Technology, isn’t convinced. She has been scouring the B.C. Interior for areas “free from all this poison in the air.” St. Clair, who has also been diagnosed with EHS by a doctor, doesn’t leave her house without a special hat and an undershirt woven with silver that is meant to ward off electromagnetic waves. For her, the fact that people are willing to drop everything and move is evidence enough that electromagnetic frequencies cause harm. “Apprehension doesn’t make people leave their lives behind or quit their jobs,” she says.

Lucy Sanford, a former Toronto real estate agent, had been in a decade-long battle with anxiety, insomnia, periodic body numbness, breathing trouble and other ailments when she became depressed, even suicidal. After moving out of the city to the small Lake Erie community of Crystal Beach, Ont., Sanford feels better, and blames her past troubles on electromagnetic waves. For her, there’s no doubt technology is taking a toll. “We know it’s there. We don’t need the proof,” she says. “We are the proof.”

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  • Ayobaby

    For those of you who think that EHS is just an illusion check out the work of Dr. Jose Delgado.  You will find out that it is you who have the illusion.  Industry is playing with fire at our expense. At this point in time it is estimated that 3% of the population has severe symptoms of EHS and another 35% has moderate symptoms.  The Canadian Human Rights Commission acknowledges environmental sensitivity attibuted to electromagnetic exposure so why are those affected ridiculed and laughted at.  To me this seems like a clear case of discrimination.  Would you laugh at and make fun of those in wheelchairs?  Is one disability to be treated differently than another.  We provide wheelchair ramps, why aren’t we providing safe environments for those with EHS?  We need a “safe” place to grocery shop, malls to shop in, Dr’s offices and hospitals that provide a “safe”environment.  A “safe” resturant and movie theatre would be a real treat.
    I am one who lead a normal productive life until 18months ago. I have had two professions in my working career and am no longer able to work at anything.  There is WiFi or other cordless devices everywhere I go.  Within minutes of being near this radiation I am sick to my stomach and suffer a severe pain in my head.  I am an intelligent person and do not live in fear.  This is not my imagination.  This is real.  Before you dismiss this and run off at the mouth take some time and check out the non-industry science.  It’s all there folks.

  • Felicia N. Trujillo, ND

     

    First, check the International Association of Fire Fighters
    2004 determination to NOT allows cell towers or antennas on any of their
    facilities due to proven negative health effects on fire fighters. They also
    provide worldwide research to substantiate this:
    http://www.iaff.org/hs/Facts/CellTowerFinal.asp , excerpted below:

    WHEREAS, the brain is the first organ to be affected by RF
    radiation and symptoms manifest in a multitude of neurological conditions
    including migraine headaches, extreme fatigue, disorientation, slowed reaction
    time, vertigo, vital memory loss and attention deficit amidst life threatening
    emergencies; and

     

    WHEREAS, most of the firefighters who are experiencing
    symptoms can attribute the onset to the first week(s) these towers/antennas
    were activated; and

     

    WHAT ABOUT FIBER OPTIC CABLE THAT IS 10,000 TIMES FASTER?

     

    Pivotal research from a Bello Horizonte in Brazil has
    linked 4924 cancer deaths (or 80% of the cancer deaths in that city) to cell
    towers placed near homes, see:
    http://whyfry.org/brazilian-study-cancer-associated-with-radiation-from-cellular-antennas/

    • Art Tricque

      On every firehall in the developed world, there is a two-way radio transmitter and antenna. Every fire truck has a mobile two-way radio that operates at far higher power levels, depending on the exact frequency commonly between 10 W and 40 W (compare: hand held mobile phone, maximum 1.6 W). Most firefighters when fighting fires carry a portable two-way radio (“walkie-talkie”) operating at between 2W and 6W. Almost always, these two-way radios use frequencies in the microwave band. And have for decades.”Pivotal research from a Bello (sic) Horizonte in Brazil has linked 4924 cancer deaths (or 80% of the cancer deaths in that city) to cell towers placed near homes” Which reputable scientific journal was this research published in (not in any one indexed at the NIH Pubmed site http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed )? Where has it been repeated?”WHAT ABOUT FIBER OPTIC CABLE THAT IS 10,000 TIMES FASTER?” Who will pay for the far higher costs of fibre optic cable, and for its installation?

  • alwaystwosides

    Reading articles like this makes me want to read the itty bitty fine print for our cell phone. “Not to be used close to the head” and “Strongly limit the use of cell phones for those under 18 years of age.”
    Doesn’t that make you wonder why? 

  • alwaystwosides

    Reading articles like this makes me want to read the itty bitty fine print for our cell phone. “Not to be used close to the head” and “Strongly limit the use of cell phones for those under 18 years of age.”
    Doesn’t that make you wonder why? 

  • ElectroSmog Manitoba

    Avoiding electrosmog has become an important health and safety issue for many. Electrosensitivity  is an “emerging illness”, as MS and ALS were decades ago. 

  • ElectroSmog Manitoba

    Avoiding electrosmog has become an important health and safety issue for many. Electrosensitivity  is an “emerging illness”, as MS and ALS were decades ago. 

  • Lovecoffeetnt

    In regard to the WHO about EHS and frequencies, they have recently said they are a potential carcinogen and on the order of DDT and pesticides.  

  • Lovecoffeetnt

    In regard to the WHO about EHS and frequencies, they have recently said they are a potential carcinogen and on the order of DDT and pesticides.  

  • Gerry Duffett

    Links / .pdf / Radio Waves used as Weapons / Torture ……torture ”Radio Waves used as Weapons” www.international.gc.ca/arms-armes/isrop-prisi/research-recherche/humanitarian-humanitaire/mchale2003/index.aspx?lang=en&view=dwww.freedomfchs.com/id15.htmlwww.freedomfchs.com/samplelegislation.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/historyofelectromagneticweapons.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/michiganemdevicelaw.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/remoteneuralmonitoring.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/bioeffectsofselectednonlethalweapons.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/bioelectromagnetic-effects-of-emfs-on-immune-system.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/bioelectromagneticweapons2.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/mindgames.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/viclivingston.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/ffchsplaintiffapplicationII.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/ffchsflyer3.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/worlddayflyer.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/ffchsorganizedstalking.pdf http://www.freedomfchs.com/elecharassment.pdf http://www.freedomfchs.com/ffchspressreleaseII.pdf http://www.freedomfchs.com/ffchspressreleaseI.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/bioelectromagneticweapons.pdf http://www.freedomfchs.com/eworganizedstalkingoverview.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/theshockingmenaceofsatellites.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/proofremotemindcontrol.pdfwww.rich-essence.com/TheHiddenEvil.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/thesilentmassacre.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/osatv.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/osatv2.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/osih.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/osact.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/oscd.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/oscope.pdfwww.multistalkervictims.org/ostt.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=12www.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/MindControl.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/MindControlHumanRights.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/Implants.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/SovietCzechoslovakianParapsycho.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/ParaphysicsRDWarsawPact.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/ControlledOffensiveBehavior.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/LaserInnovations.PDFwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/NanoElectronicPhotonicCircuits.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/DarpaII.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/SynTelepathy.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/USSRHypnosisatdistance.pdfwww.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads/articles/NavyRegulationForHumanTesting.pdfwww.kingsleydennis.com/Opening%20Pandora‘s%20Box%20_Rev.Ed_%20-%20Kingsley%20Dennis.pdfwww.icomw.org/archives/index.aspwww.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/Microwave.Harassment.And.Mind-Control.Experimentation.htmwww.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ches2005-limits.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/usarmyrptonmicrowavefx.pdfwww.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/electronic_harassment.pdfwww.bethel.edu/~kisrob/hon301k/project/Final/mind_control.htm http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Handbook/TheHiddenEvil.pdfwww.mindjustice.org/book.pdfwww.freedomfchs.com/byronbweaponsofmc.pdfhttp://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=neuroethics_pubs Posted by: Gerry Duffett3358-A McCowan Rd
    Basement
    Scarborough Ontario
    Canada M1V 5P5 duffett52@yahoo.com,
    gerryduffett@fastmail.ca, http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&field=ordertime&order=desc&page=1http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&field=ordertime&order=desc&page=2http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&field=ordertime&order=desc&page=3  

  • mte

    In May of this year,  the WHO reclassified RF  as a possible carcinogen, in the same category as DDT, and lead.

    Health Canada’s feeble response to this re-classification is merely to suggest caution.

    Interesting that China recently advised against young children using cell phones except in cases of emergencies and recommended that teens limit their cell phone use to 10 minutes a day.

    Are our children and teens much thicker-skulled?

    • Art Tricque

      DDT and lead are not dangerous because of any WHO IARC classification. They are dangerous because the former is an endocrine disruptor and the latter a neurotoxin.

  • sabine

    No one can say this is a free and democratic society when we are having radiation devices put on ALL our houses and businesses WITHOUT our consent and indeed against many of our wishes. My family is spending 40 grand to go off-grid and even then our neighbour’s units will penetrate our fences. My life, my choice, my government? Not on your life. We are not being told the whole truth and anyone who thinks they are deserves to be lied to.

    • Art Tricque

      “No one can say this is a free and democratic society…” We elect our politicians. Politicians head up government ministries, like Industry Canada and Health Canada, two ministries involved with regulating microwaves in Canada. They propose regulations that get turned into laws via the politicians in parliament. This is exactly how representative government in Canada works and is supposed to work.”My family is spending 40 grand to go off-grid and even then our neighbour’s units will penetrate our fences. My life, my choice” Yes, this is your free choice. No one is forcing you to make this choice, however, and I believe it is foolish if the aim is to escape perceived negative health effects of EM waves.”my government? Not on your life. We are not being told the whole truth and anyone who thinks they are deserves to be lied to.” Without evidence, such statements are conjectured conspiracy theories.

      • sabine

        I can’t even be bothered to finish reading your unecessarily lengthy response. Try using less words and saying more. I stop dead cold at “we elect our politicians.” Wow man, you are sadly misguided and you don’t even have a good heart.

        • Art Tricque

          I am happy to use fewer words when fewer will suffice; I only write what is needed to accurately and clearly convey a point.

  • MacFeegel

    While the damage from low levels of radiation is not proven, there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support the fact. Studies (not funded by the industry) have shown negative effects on cellular function at low levels, but that only makes the theory “not yet disproven”. I do find it interesting that in North America the standard for maximum exposure to non-ionizing radiation is set by the level at which PHYSICAL harm begins to occur; at which you start to cook. In Europe the maximum allowable levels are about 100 times lower than here.

    We have been reducing the number of sources of EM radiation in our home for the past year and now we have a significant source added against our will. This just is not right.

    BTW, in DirtyOldTown’s rant about vaccines he talks about herd immunity. If he had any understanding of vaccines he would know that, while it might stop you from developing disease symptoms, it does not in any way stop you from carrying and spreading the disease. This according to one of the foremost immunologists in the USA (New York I believe). I do not recall his name, but if you are interested in all sorts of health information with references I recommend mercola.com. Also, on the radiation topic, read Zapped by Anne Louise Gittleman.

    • Anonymous

      You may be interested to know that, in addition to being anti-vaccine, Dr. Mercola (who is a doctor of osteopathy, not medicine) denies that HIV causes AIDs, claims microwave ovens are dangerous, and has been censured by the FDA at least 3 times in the past 7 years for selling products that make false and misleading claims. Doesn’t sound like the kind of expert I’d rely on for health information.

    • Art Tricque

      “there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support the fact.” Anecdotes are good for generating hypotheses, but useless as serious scientific evidence.”Studies (not funded by the industry) have shown negative effects…” Studies (not funded by the industry) have not shown any effects too.Re North America versus European standards. MacFeegel is incorrect: most of the world uses the same standards, standards which arose from the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) report, published in a quality academic journal, Health Physics, in 1998. The entire journal article, not just the abstract (summary), is available as a PDF at the ICNIRP web site at http://www.icnirp.de/documents/emfgdl.pdf .Last, the statement (or perhaps more accurately repeating the statement) that vaccines “might stop you from developing disease symptoms, it does not in any way stop you from carrying and spreading the disease” is wrong. This is not a forum for discussion of vaccines; one cannot help but rebut such blatant nonsense.

  • http://twitter.com/wfrisch Wayne Frisch

    It is saddening that there are so many people so vehemently opposed to even the notion that there is any risks associated with our personal electronic gadgets. This level of anger toward this subject matter brings to light a more serious concern that many are starting to raise regarding how our addiction to technology makes us in fact “Information Luddites” to any scientific inkling that there may be a reason to proceed with caution. What side is really open for hearing the truth come forward. I see a lot of disrespectful name calling and unacceptable behavior any time a news story is about EMF concerns and health.

    Why?

    There seems to be an overt amount of controversy over a subject that we would think we would like to investigate to no end given its impact on our lives and our children.

    Why the backlash? Possibly we are so addicted that we are angered, annoyed if anyone tells our narcissistic behavior may be harmful to others let alone ourselves. OR Could it be that a multi-trillion dollar industry pays/employs lobbyist and PR firms to shrill there comments to bury intelligent debate and discussion in public forums like this?

    My bets are on both…

    • sabine

      Absolutely well said! All my money goes to companies hiring shills to troll these forums because a lot of ‘their’ arguments are counter-intuitive. It’s not ok for us to drink fresh raw milk but placing a radiation device on our homes that run 24/7 is? Ah ha…yah..ok. Mind you I must place a few cents on some people reluctant to admit that something they are doing is causing harm to them and others and so needs to be changed. People are opposed to change because there is a period of adjustment which can be uncomfortable whereas remaining in the dark seems comforting to some but you can’t stay in the womb forever.

      • MostlyCivil

        By dismissing any poster who disagrees with you as a hired “shill”, you discount opposing opinions before they are even stated. Why is it counter-intuitive to rely on accepted science over anecdoatal evidence?

        • sabine

          I believe I addressed that in another ‘answer’ to one of your posts. Lay people have nothing to gain by telling their story whereas companies and those vested in companies who stand to gain from the outcome of a study are more likely not to disclose all of their findings as they are not legally required to do so…I already said all this somewhere else. I think you should re-read Wayne Frisch’s post a little more carefully. To not even want more research done on something the WHO says may cause cancer is counter-intuitive. Not that I trust the WHO but even they say something may be wrong.

          • Art Tricque

            “Lay people have nothing to gain by telling their story…” True, but that does not mean it can be accepted as scientific evidence.”…whereas companies and those vested in companies who stand to gain from the outcome of a study are more likely not to disclose all of their findings as they are not legally required to do so… already said all this somewhere else.” I have already rebutted this argument elsewhere too.”To not even want more research done…” I say research away. But only make public policy based on the evidence as it now stands, not on conjecture.

          • sabine

            Whatever anyone wants to accept as evidence is absolutely their choice not yours. You are a bully trying to force your opinion on people as fact when you are nothing more than a big talker.

          • Art Tricque

            “Whatever anyone wants to accept as evidence is absolutely their choice not yours.” Of course it is. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t present my arguments and counter arguments.”You are a bully trying to force your opinion on people as fact…” 1. Calling someone a bully is an ad hominem attack (personal attack). 2. I cannot “force” my opinion or facts on any one; people have to and will make their own conclusions. However, I will argue my points forcefully. 3. I have pointed out my opinion as well as facts, and even more importantly the opinions and facts of more knowledgeable sources on the topic than I (of which there are many! ;-) ); I have tried to provide some references so that readers can see what support exists for what I write; I have pointed out where others have not provided any evidence or references so that their readers can test what they say.”…when you are nothing more than a big talker.” This is another ad hominem.

        • sabine

          I believe I addressed that in another ‘answer’ to one of your posts. Lay people have nothing to gain by telling their story whereas companies and those vested in companies who stand to gain from the outcome of a study are more likely not to disclose all of their findings as they are not legally required to do so…I already said all this somewhere else. I think you should re-read Wayne Frisch’s post a little more carefully. To not even want more research done on something the WHO says may cause cancer is counter-intuitive. Not that I trust the WHO but even they say something may be wrong.

        • Art Tricque

          I love the “pharma shill gambit”. Here, rechristened as the “telecom shill gambit” It is a logical fallacy, and does not address the arguments of whomever is commenting.

          • sabine

            You use fancy words and well-structured sentences but say very little.

          • Art Tricque

            I am sorry that Sabine does not appear to like my vocabulary. I am tempted to point out again that this does not counter any argument I have made.”…but say very little.” I seem to be countering every comment made quite effectively, so much so that Sabine now seems to be resorting to ad hominem (Sabine: this means personal) attacks rather than cogent (Sabine: this means “Reasonable and convincing; based on evidence; appealing to the intellect or powers of reasoning; forcefully persuasive” per Wiktionary definition at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cogent ) arguments.

      • Art Tricque

        I think it is perfectly acceptable to have raw milk delivered all over major urban centres around the world. That way, we can get rid of everyone susceptible to tuberculosis. And we should never allow any device that spews radiation, especially at 630 THz. There is no way I would choose to remain in the dark and permit such a device.

        • sabine

          But you have nothing to say about Wayne Frisch’s comments nor any of Gary Duffet’s links? I suggest you research every one and get back to us on that. You are sad, very sad and that is my opinion.

          • Art Tricque

            Sabine, you are correct: I did not reply to Mr. Frisch’s comments above. I will do so as soon as I can. In the case of Mr Dufflet’s comments, I was distracted into ignoring his posts by those related to HAARP (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program for more on HAARP ) and mind-control fringe theories. I will answer any comments he makes, where he makes comments, though he mostly seems to post links.

  • Gerry Duffett

    Documents, Books, & E-Books / Microwave Weapons / .pdf
     
    Freedom From Covert Harassment and Surveillance
     
    ……torture
     
    “Radio Waves used as Weapons”

    http://freedomfchs.com/id15.htmlPosted by: Gerry Duffett3358-A McCowan RdBasementScarborough OntarioCanada M1V 5P5 duffett52@yahoo.com,gerryduffett@fastmail.ca, http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general& field=ordertime&order=desc& page=1 http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general& field=ordertime&order=desc& page=2 http://gerryduffett.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general& field=ordertime&order=desc& page=3

  • Gerry Duffett

    US Electromagnetic Weapons and Human Rights

    http://www.freedomfchs.com/historyofelectromagneticweapons.pdf

  • Gerry Duffett

    Confidential Report on TETRA / Barrie Trower / Electomagnetic Radiation

    Confidential Report on TETRA Strictly for the

    Police Federation of England and Wales

    B TROWER

    http://www.planningsanity.co.uk/reports/trower.htm

    TETRA / Terrestrial Trunked Radio

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio

  • Anonymous

    I’m the 4th Canadian recognized by CPP Disability for Electro-hyper-sensitivity, so yes, folks, it’s real.  I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone:  very isolating and debilitating.  UK scientists predict that by 2017 50% of the population will be EHS, so you can play games while you guess if you’ll be one of the lucky 50%, or you can admit that microwaves, aka radio frequency radiation, are harmful to living tissue no matter the source of the radiation–cell phones, cell networks, wifi, smart meters & smart grid, cordless phones, baby monitors or microwave ovens, PDAs, Blackberries, etc.  Think of what your microwave oven does to perfectly fine bread–yuck!–or to meat if left a second too long–leather.  RFR/microwaves are doing the same to us, only slowly, very very slowly, and we lucky ones who know what’s happening get to leave and find safer places, while the rest of you learn how it feels to be told you’re crazy, it’s all psychosomatic, while your body slowly collapses on you.  I don’t wish it on anyone.

    • Art Tricque

      “UK scientists predict that by 2017 50% of the population will be EHS…” EHSandhateit provides no evidence to support this assertion, and I am aware of no compelling body of evidence. This is conjecture.

      • sabine

        You are just a SHILL art trick and out numbered. There is no honour in what you are doing here trying to convince people that it’s ok to radiate themselves. Before the electron microscope bacteria was just a theory and now it is just fact. Soon you will eat all your words. Hope you are hungry.

        • Art Tricque

          “You are just a SHILL art trick…” Naming someone a shill is a personal attack. Unless you have evidence that I take money from a telecom company or some other interested party and can present it here, it is also a false assertion. Finally, as has been pointed out many times, who someone is, or what the nature of their character may be, is irrelevant to addressing the arguments that person makes.”…and out numbered.” Being out numbered does not counter any argument; it is the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populam.”There is no honour in what you are doing here trying to convince people that it’s ok to radiate themselves.” Honour has nothing to do with it. I am happy to argue in favour of a technology that brings tremendous benefit and not see it diminished by poorly argued claims of health effects.”Before the electron microscope bacteria was just a theory and now it is just fact.” No, bacteria were already viewed using a basic glass lens microscope by  Antonie van Leeuwenhoek in 1676. Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch both advanced the science in the 19th century, Koch ultimately winning the Nobel prize for his germ theory of disease in 1905. The electron microscope was not invented until the 1930s.”Soon you will eat all your words. Hope you are hungry.” One must prove one’s arguments now using the evidence that is available now, not by recourse to some mythical future when the evidence to prove one’s case supposedly might become available.

  • Threeschreibers

    Because of Sam Boutet and her family’s struggles, I removed my daughter from a public elementary school where industrial strength Wifi routers pulsed 24/7. It is through our fight to prove that this technology is not as beneficial as the telecommunications companies would have us believe that she and I became good friends. She left a thriving naturopathic practice to home school her children. When that proved not enough to thoroughly calm Amelia’s condition, she and her husband made the incredibly difficult decision to get her out of the line of fire. I know that the nay-sayers would like to brand those of us taking such steps as ‘crazies’, and they are welcomed to their opinions, but when the tidal wave of health issues so overwhelms our society that there can be no doubt to the dangers we currently face, please don’t ask me to hold your hand and comfort you through your brain cancer, or your child’s behavior disorder, or whatever else comes down the pipe. This is really happening, no matter how anyone argues against it, and we have to find a better way NOW.

    • Art Tricque

      “…industrial strength Wifi routers…” There is no such thing as an industrial strength (implying stronger output) Wifi router. The use of the term “industrial” is used to elicit a negative connotation. Threeschreibers is repeating this from other sources, of course, regrettably unaware of the intent.” I know that the nay-sayers would like to brand those of us taking such steps as ‘crazies’…” I do not. I think you are misguided, and that you are basing your decision on false arguments, but it is your decision to make.”…please don’t ask me to hold your hand and comfort you through your brain cancer, or your child’s behavior disorder, or whatever else comes down the pipe.” I am saddened by this viewpoint. I would hold Threeschreibers’ hand if he/she got cancer no matter what.

  • Threeschreibers

    Because of Sam Boutet and her family’s struggles, I removed my daughter from a public elementary school where industrial strength Wifi routers pulsed 24/7. It is through our fight to prove that this technology is not as beneficial as the telecommunications companies would have us believe that she and I became good friends. She left a thriving naturopathic practice to home school her children. When that proved not enough to thoroughly calm Amelia’s condition, she and her husband made the incredibly difficult decision to get her out of the line of fire. I know that the nay-sayers would like to brand those of us taking such steps as ‘crazies’, and they are welcomed to their opinions, but when the tidal wave of health issues so overwhelms our society that there can be no doubt to the dangers we currently face, please don’t ask me to hold your hand and comfort you through your brain cancer, or your child’s behavior disorder, or whatever else comes down the pipe. This is really happening, no matter how anyone argues against it, and we have to find a better way NOW.

  • Helen

    Looking at the  one in 10,000 cases of autism in the past to one out out of 50 or 60 today in Britain and the U.S., this is a SERIOUS issue. We need to look at possible causes. DO NO HARM is the Hippocratic Oath which advocates a precautionary principle.

    80% of INDEPENDENT research ( i.e. not funded by industry) shows that EMR is dangerous. On the other hand research funded by the cell phone industry either does not show harm or is inconclusive.
    Do we want to protect the children?

  • Helen

    Looking at the  one in 10,000 cases of autism in the past to one out out of 50 or 60 today in Britain and the U.S., this is a SERIOUS issue. We need to look at possible causes. DO NO HARM is the Hippocratic Oath which advocates a precautionary principle.

    80% of INDEPENDENT research ( i.e. not funded by industry) shows that EMR is dangerous. On the other hand research funded by the cell phone industry either does not show harm or is inconclusive.
    Do we want to protect the children?

    • Art Tricque

      “Looking at the  one in 10,000 cases of autism in the past to one out out of 50 or 60 today in Britain and the U.S., this is a SERIOUS issue.” Autism is serious. But there is no body of evidence to suggest it is caused or affected by microwaves.”DO NO HARM is the Hippocratic Oath which advocates a precautionary principle.” The precautionary principle also demands we act based on serious scientific evidence, not conjecture.”80% of INDEPENDENT research ( i.e. not funded by industry)…” Plenty of good publicly-funded (as distinct from non-industry-funded, but still privately-funded) research show no ill effects from microwaves.”Do we want to protect the children?” This is an appeal to emotion, a logical fallacy. I would rather we teach our children that public policy is made using rationality and dispassionate reason.

  • Gerry Duffett
  • Gerry Duffett

    Bio Effects / Non Lethal / Electromagnetic Radiation
     
    http://www.freedomfchs.com/bioeffectsofselectednonlethalweapons.pdf

  • Gerry Duffett

    Bio Effects / Non Lethal / Electromagnetic Radiation
     
    http://www.freedomfchs.com/bioeffectsofselectednonlethalweapons.pdf

  • Bf

    “homeopathic doctor”? There’s no such thing. The fact that she’s already involved with belief-based medical treatment tells me that there’s a very good chance that she is leaping to conclusions in this case as well.

    Studies are studies. They can be reviewed for statistical or scientific error, but they either show correlation or they don’t. No anecdotes like this article are allowed to influence as “proof”.

    • Anonymous

      I do not know where you got your quote, “homeopathic doctor” from the article. If you meant to quote “naturopathic doctor”, which Boutet is noted to be, then according to the Canadian Association of Naturopathic Doctors, it does exist as a professional designation. From their website:

      Like a conventional doctor, dentist, or chiropractor, the naturopathic doctor first completes pre-medical studies at university. The naturopathic student then enters into a four-year, full-time medical program at an accredited school of naturopathic medicine. Training includes basic, medical, and clinical science; diagnostics; naturopathic principles and therapeutics; and extensive clinical experience under the supervision of licensed naturopathic doctors. Graduates receive the title “N.D.” or Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine. 

      Ironically your attempt to discredit the article and Boutet have seemingly backfired and served to discredit you.

    • sabine

      Well yes there is such thing as a homeopathic doctor which btw this article is not referring to. There are many MD’s and veterinarians who practice homeopathy, tons in India, Germany, etc. You’re not speaking from a place of knowledge nor experience. And when you say “No anecdotes like this article are allowed to influence as ‘proof’”… allowed? allowed? I believe that every individual can make up their own mind as to what is ‘allowed’ to influence them. No one, NO ONE needs you who doesn’t know what they are talking about to tell them what to think, I call you Shill.

      • Anonymous

        Why am I not surprised that you believe in the healing power of magic water?

        • sabine

          Because you might be finally getting it.

          • Anonymous

            That you have no understanding of basic science or biology? Yep. Getting that loud and clear.

          • sabine

            I was expecting a little more than that from you but obviously I overshot my opinion of you…Yah, we’re done DOT.

          • Anonymous

            That you have no understanding of basic science or biology? Yep. Getting that loud and clear.

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